Need opinions on top folding stock

Noban · February 4, 2002, 03:13 PM

I'm looking for opinions on the Advanced Technologies top folding stock for the Mossberg 590. Cabella's is selling them for about $70, made of fiberglass I believe.

Thanks

Noban

SAWBONES · February 4, 2002, 04:12 PM

Hi Noban;
I have one on a Mossy 500. Although folding stocks in general have a reputation for allowing more felt recoil than standard stocks, I find it works very well, and cushions recoil, even though it lacks a recoil pad of any sort. (Presumably, there's enough "give" in the hinges to absorb recoil forces.) It's quite sturdy, yet much lighter than metal folding stocks.
'Course, you can't alter length of pull.
I believe you can get a lower price, too. Mine was $59.95 at a gunshow. Best.

Demonvomit · February 4, 2002, 08:54 PM

I was also looking into getting the same stock,But my only worry was that the stock would collapse when shooting but i have realised that it most likely wouldnt and will be buying one in the near future,Recoil dosnt bother me at all (shoulder went numb along time ago) so it shouldnt be a problem.

Later

Noban · February 5, 2002, 11:03 AM

Sawbones - How is that length of pull? The main reason I'm looking for a new stock is that the standard 590 stock is way too long for me.

Noban

SAWBONES · February 5, 2002, 01:03 PM

Hi Noban;
I believe it's the same as the 590 LOP. It certainly feels to be the same to me. It's not apparently any longer than the original stock, but I haven't actually measured it.
I'm not aware of ANY folding stocks with a shorter-than-standard LOP, unfortunately. If you want a shorter LOP ("standard" LOP varying from 13.5" 14.5", depending upon manufacturer), you'll have to get an aftermarket solid stock of some sort, eg, Speedfeed or Choate.
Brownells has several types of shortened or adjustable solid shotgun stocks. Best.

Vang Comper · February 5, 2002, 01:46 PM

Copstock is the only way to go. Not only is it a folding stock, but it reduces recoil more than the compstock!! Over 60% of a reduction, and you can fire buck and slugs one handed. Heck this is one folding stock that you could outshoot a standard stock. This would be a good stock to use against Dave McC's bet he has in matches with folders

Art Eatman · February 5, 2002, 04:11 PM

What's the general reason for a folding stock?

Art

labgrade · February 5, 2002, 11:53 PM

Takes up less room when folded.

I've got a Rem PG folder. Used it a coupla times & took it off. Put it back on a "spare" 870 a coupla days ago, played with it a little & took it off again.

Nice when folded & taking up less room, but I've no use for it when extended. It sits under the bench - gathering dust.

psssniper · February 6, 2002, 12:18 AM

got to play with the cop stock at the shotshow saturday
seems like it would work great, but it looked a little wide around the pivot. nice people working their booth. they had lots of cool toys for your shotguns.

Vang Comper · February 6, 2002, 01:18 AM

Can you describe in your own words ust how much it reduced the recoil? You try firing it one handed?

Dave McC · February 6, 2002, 06:10 AM

OK, Vang Comper, where and when(G)?...

For the record, and those who came in late, I've a standing challenge for the PG and folder crowd. Check the Archives for the history of same.

And....

While a folder has some merit for storage, it still tends to be harder to shoot well than a standard stock, assuming reasonable fit and form.
The gap should narrow as people develop better folders, but I do not expect it to disappear completely.

While frequent and dedicated practice can narrow that gap also, the same amount of dedicated and frequent practice with a standard stock will leave one truly adept and effective.

IOW, before I'd use a folder, storage and stowage factors would have to be paramount for the mission....

Vang Comper · February 6, 2002, 09:08 AM

But this folder is like none you've ever handled before, Dave. It's a hero in the new age of shotgun stocks.

Dave McC · February 6, 2002, 10:19 AM

Could be, VC, but I'm skeptical.I'll keep my eyes open, but it might take a while for me to find one and use it for a T&E. If I do, I'll post.

There's a few factors to consider.

One reason folders bite as much as they do is a smaller surface area. This is as important as pad material for comfort. Shape's another factor. Does it conform to the various ins and outs of the human physique? Mushed up in there with LOP and drop is pitch.

Along with all that comes the PG. It approaches a universal fit, BUT it just approaches. The standard grip, assuming good porportions, IS universal, in that folks with a wide range of hand size and builds can use it effectively.

I'm more invested in finding the best tool for the job than defending old opinions. If I run across a folder that is as safe and effective as the standard stock, I'll sing its praises rat cheer. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that epitome of machinery, tho....

SAWBONES · February 6, 2002, 11:39 AM

The COP stock works, but tends to slap your cheek on recoil, according to a recent review in, I think, GWLE.

Also, on a relatively narrow weapon like a shotgun, which is 1.5" to 2.0" wide at the widest point, the pivot hub of the COP stock is 3.5" wide! (I called and talked to the manufacturer, and this is what he told me.) That sticks out a lot when the weapon is stored in a soft case. Best.

Vang Comper · February 6, 2002, 04:46 PM

When you see how little the stock recoils you won't care about the width.

Art Eatman · February 6, 2002, 05:08 PM

I went to the Steel Challenge in 1982, and among other things was awed by John Satterwhite's "Shotgun Games". Anybody who can throw seven claybirds out and "pump 'em down" sure earns my respect!

Got to talking to him about his 870. It had a seven-round extended mag, and the barrel was cut back to just in front of that length. Screw-in chokes. Vent rib; half-size front bead. Folding rifle sight dove-tailed into the barrel. Action converted to operate like a Model 12.

One neat feature is that with a plug in the magazine, the balance is similar to that of a 28" or so barrel. With the chokes, it's an any-use gun.

We got to talking about home-defense use. He commented that the pistol-grip stocks make for an awkward wrist position when in "search" mode, carrying the gun near a port-arms position. (From port-arms you can quickly move to butt-stroke or jab, as well as shoot.)

His gun's overall length looked quite handy. 22" or so barrel. So, other than convenience in a car, I'm not sure of the utility of a folding stock.

Art

Dave McC · February 7, 2002, 05:52 AM

Art,Satterwhite has an informed opinion on this, IMO,the only kind that counts.

Sometimes I think we make too much of compactness in our shotguns. After reading your post at work, I took my thoughts home and did a walkthrough in Casa McC with my trap gun,30" bbl, Morgan adjustable pad and all.

I'm 6'2", about 250, take a size 8 hat and a 52 Long coat. That 870 TB and I fit into every place I wanted to go nicely.Mi Casa es uno townhouse.

February 4, 2002, 03:13 PM	#1
Noban Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 1999 Posts: 662	Need opinions on top folding stock I'm looking for opinions on the Advanced Technologies top folding stock for the Mossberg 590. Cabella's is selling them for about $70, made of fiberglass I believe. Thanks Noban

February 4, 2002, 04:12 PM	#2
SAWBONES Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: The third dimension Posts: 670	Hi Noban; I have one on a Mossy 500. Although folding stocks in general have a reputation for allowing more felt recoil than standard stocks, I find it works very well, and cushions recoil, even though it lacks a recoil pad of any sort. (Presumably, there's enough "give" in the hinges to absorb recoil forces.) It's quite sturdy, yet much lighter than metal folding stocks. 'Course, you can't alter length of pull. I believe you can get a lower price, too. Mine was $59.95 at a gunshow. Best. __________________ "Humani nihil alienum" Last edited by SAWBONES; February 4, 2002 at 11:46 PM.

February 5, 2002, 01:03 PM	#5
SAWBONES Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: The third dimension Posts: 670	Hi Noban; I believe it's the same as the 590 LOP. It certainly feels to be the same to me. It's not apparently any longer than the original stock, but I haven't actually measured it. I'm not aware of ANY folding stocks with a shorter-than-standard LOP, unfortunately. If you want a shorter LOP ("standard" LOP varying from 13.5" 14.5", depending upon manufacturer), you'll have to get an aftermarket solid stock of some sort, eg, Speedfeed or Choate. Brownells has several types of shortened or adjustable solid shotgun stocks. Best. __________________ "Humani nihil alienum"

February 6, 2002, 11:39 AM	#14
SAWBONES Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: The third dimension Posts: 670	The COP stock works, but tends to slap your cheek on recoil, according to a recent review in, I think, GWLE. Also, on a relatively narrow weapon like a shotgun, which is 1.5" to 2.0" wide at the widest point, the pivot hub of the COP stock is 3.5" wide! (I called and talked to the manufacturer, and this is what he told me.) That sticks out a lot when the weapon is stored in a soft case. Best. __________________ "Humani nihil alienum"

February 4, 2002, 08:54 PM	#3
Demonvomit Member Join Date: July 28, 2001 Posts: 59	I was also looking into getting the same stock,But my only worry was that the stock would collapse when shooting but i have realised that it most likely wouldnt and will be buying one in the near future,Recoil dosnt bother me at all (shoulder went numb along time ago) so it shouldnt be a problem. Later

February 5, 2002, 11:03 AM	#4
Noban Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 1999 Posts: 662	Sawbones - How is that length of pull? The main reason I'm looking for a new stock is that the standard 590 stock is way too long for me. Noban

February 5, 2002, 01:46 PM	#6
Vang Comper Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2002 Posts: 52	Copstock is the only way to go. Not only is it a folding stock, but it reduces recoil more than the compstock!! Over 60% of a reduction, and you can fire buck and slugs one handed. Heck this is one folding stock that you could outshoot a standard stock. This would be a good stock to use against Dave McC's bet he has in matches with folders

February 5, 2002, 04:11 PM	#7
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	What's the general reason for a folding stock? Art

February 5, 2002, 11:53 PM	#8
labgrade Member In Memoriam Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,346	Takes up less room when folded. I've got a Rem PG folder. Used it a coupla times & took it off. Put it back on a "spare" 870 a coupla days ago, played with it a little & took it off again. Nice when folded & taking up less room, but I've no use for it when extended. It sits under the bench - gathering dust.

February 6, 2002, 12:18 AM	#9
psssniper Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2001 Posts: 186	got to play with the cop stock at the shotshow saturday seems like it would work great, but it looked a little wide around the pivot. nice people working their booth. they had lots of cool toys for your shotguns.

February 6, 2002, 01:18 AM	#10
Vang Comper Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2002 Posts: 52	Can you describe in your own words ust how much it reduced the recoil? You try firing it one handed?

February 6, 2002, 06:10 AM	#11
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	OK, Vang Comper, where and when(G)?... For the record, and those who came in late, I've a standing challenge for the PG and folder crowd. Check the Archives for the history of same. And.... While a folder has some merit for storage, it still tends to be harder to shoot well than a standard stock, assuming reasonable fit and form. The gap should narrow as people develop better folders, but I do not expect it to disappear completely. While frequent and dedicated practice can narrow that gap also, the same amount of dedicated and frequent practice with a standard stock will leave one truly adept and effective. IOW, before I'd use a folder, storage and stowage factors would have to be paramount for the mission....

February 6, 2002, 09:08 AM	#12
Vang Comper Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2002 Posts: 52	But this folder is like none you've ever handled before, Dave. It's a hero in the new age of shotgun stocks.

February 6, 2002, 10:19 AM	#13
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Could be, VC, but I'm skeptical.I'll keep my eyes open, but it might take a while for me to find one and use it for a T&E. If I do, I'll post. There's a few factors to consider. One reason folders bite as much as they do is a smaller surface area. This is as important as pad material for comfort. Shape's another factor. Does it conform to the various ins and outs of the human physique? Mushed up in there with LOP and drop is pitch. Along with all that comes the PG. It approaches a universal fit, BUT it just approaches. The standard grip, assuming good porportions, IS universal, in that folks with a wide range of hand size and builds can use it effectively. I'm more invested in finding the best tool for the job than defending old opinions. If I run across a folder that is as safe and effective as the standard stock, I'll sing its praises rat cheer. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that epitome of machinery, tho....

February 6, 2002, 04:46 PM	#15
Vang Comper Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2002 Posts: 52	When you see how little the stock recoils you won't care about the width.

February 6, 2002, 05:08 PM	#16
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	I went to the Steel Challenge in 1982, and among other things was awed by John Satterwhite's "Shotgun Games". Anybody who can throw seven claybirds out and "pump 'em down" sure earns my respect! Got to talking to him about his 870. It had a seven-round extended mag, and the barrel was cut back to just in front of that length. Screw-in chokes. Vent rib; half-size front bead. Folding rifle sight dove-tailed into the barrel. Action converted to operate like a Model 12. One neat feature is that with a plug in the magazine, the balance is similar to that of a 28" or so barrel. With the chokes, it's an any-use gun. We got to talking about home-defense use. He commented that the pistol-grip stocks make for an awkward wrist position when in "search" mode, carrying the gun near a port-arms position. (From port-arms you can quickly move to butt-stroke or jab, as well as shoot.) His gun's overall length looked quite handy. 22" or so barrel. So, other than convenience in a car, I'm not sure of the utility of a folding stock. Art

February 7, 2002, 05:52 AM	#17
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Art,Satterwhite has an informed opinion on this, IMO,the only kind that counts. Sometimes I think we make too much of compactness in our shotguns. After reading your post at work, I took my thoughts home and did a walkthrough in Casa McC with my trap gun,30" bbl, Morgan adjustable pad and all. I'm 6'2", about 250, take a size 8 hat and a 52 Long coat. That 870 TB and I fit into every place I wanted to go nicely.Mi Casa es uno townhouse.