The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > NFA Guns and Gear

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 24, 2012, 07:05 PM   #1
Beretta686
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 11, 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 761
How is this Glock conversion legal?

I was meandering round the internet (scary I know) and stumbled across this Glock full-auto conversion that is supposedly 100% legal provided you don't have it with a Glock pistol.

I understand you can have M16 parts without an M16, as long as you don't have an AR15, but this is something explicitly designed to convert a semi-automatic pistol into a Machine-Gun.

Despite their disclaimer about it being for SOTs, I'm sure this is targeted at people who want to take their Glock and shoot it out in the country where nobody will hear it, but how can this be legal?

Though this is obviously a legitimate company, not the shady supposed ATF Lightning Link Sting in Shotgun News years ago, but how is this any different than that an unregistered Lightning Link?
__________________
"Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Last edited by Beretta686; December 24, 2012 at 07:16 PM.
Beretta686 is offline  
Old December 24, 2012, 07:14 PM   #2
Charles S
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 29, 2002
Location: North East Texas
Posts: 950
Did you not read the add?

Quote:
COMPLETED UNITS AVAILABLE TO:
Individual Officers on department letter and P.O.
Law Enforcment Agencies on a Department P.O.
Dealers with a law Enforcment Demo Letter
__________________
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
Charles S is offline  
Old December 24, 2012, 07:17 PM   #3
Beretta686
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 11, 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 761
But you can still order it. By "Competed Units" I believe they're referring to complete pistols, as you can order the kit right now.
__________________
"Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
Beretta686 is offline  
Old December 24, 2012, 07:23 PM   #4
Beretta686
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 11, 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 761
Correction: They're incomplete units based on the FAQ of the link from another auction but they're still basically selling machine gun parts right below the threshold of being a complete MG conversion.

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...temnum=9801249
__________________
"Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
Beretta686 is offline  
Old December 24, 2012, 07:24 PM   #5
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Austin, CO
Posts: 19,578
It's no different than owning a short barrel for a rifle but not owning the rifle. It's not illegal until it's with it's parent firearm.

Notice their warning about "Constructive Possession". If you own that sear kit AND a Glock handgun, you'd be in "constructive possesion" of an illegal full-auto gun.

Own the kit without the gun, no problem.
__________________
Nobody plans to screw up their lives...
...they just don't plan not to.
-Andy Stanley
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old December 24, 2012, 11:34 PM   #6
David Hineline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 23, 1999
Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska
Posts: 704
They are not functional conversion kits. They are not completed and come with instructions on how to complete.

The completed functional units are registered and transfer to qualified individuals and govment agencies.
David Hineline is offline  
Old December 25, 2012, 12:32 PM   #7
oldone
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2009
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 164
How about this conversion?
http://mechtechsys.com/glock.php.

__________________
If you want to kick the Tiger in it's ass, you'd better have a plan dealing with it's teeth.
oldone is offline  
Old December 25, 2012, 12:42 PM   #8
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Austin, CO
Posts: 19,578
That conversion is legal because there are no restrictions whatsoever on turning a handgun into a rifle.
__________________
Nobody plans to screw up their lives...
...they just don't plan not to.
-Andy Stanley
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old December 31, 2012, 07:00 PM   #9
treg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 26, 2006
Posts: 1,102
Quote:
It's no different than owning a short barrel for a rifle but not owning the rifle. It's not illegal until it's with it's parent firearm.

Notice their warning about "Constructive Possession". If you own that sear kit AND a Glock handgun, you'd be in "constructive possesion" of an illegal full-auto gun.

Own the kit without the gun, no problem.
So you could, but why would a non-LEO even want one? What's the point?
__________________
.44 Special: For those who get it, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation is possible.
treg is offline  
Old January 2, 2013, 02:43 AM   #10
David Hineline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 23, 1999
Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska
Posts: 704
For the same reason a person would own a vehicle that can go faster than the speed limit.
David Hineline is offline  
Old January 2, 2013, 03:09 AM   #11
9mm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 9, 2011
Location: Land of the Free
Posts: 2,834
Quote:
That conversion is legal because there are no restrictions whatsoever on turning a handgun into a rifle.
WhaT? there is a pistol grip on that pistol, that would be illegal w/o tax stamp "AOW"
9mm is offline  
Old January 2, 2013, 09:14 AM   #12
David Hineline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 23, 1999
Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska
Posts: 704
When a pistol is put into rifle configuration it is not a handgun, so two vertical grips are fine on a rifle as long as only one vertical grip remains when it is put back into handgun configuration.
David Hineline is offline  
Old January 3, 2013, 07:43 PM   #13
DasGuy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 29, 2011
Posts: 318
Quote:
So you could, but why would a non-LEO even want one? What's the point?
My question would be why would an LEO want one? Having an automatic pistol as a duty weapon would just be stupid.

It's probably fun to dump a mag in a second; but completely impractical.
DasGuy is offline  
Old January 8, 2013, 02:47 PM   #14
eldorendo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 8, 2012
Posts: 239
Individual officers must meet the same requirements as any other citizen, and those conversion kits can not be legally possessed by an individual who also possesses a Glock.

If you can't use the kit, then WHAT IS the point of having one? If I own a Ferrari, I CAN drive it, even though it'll run 200+mph.
eldorendo is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.07997 seconds with 10 queries