Handgun accumulation profile / balance - Page 2

spacecoast · September 24, 2013, 03:01 PM

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NO RUGER REVOVLERS?

What, then is the object of your accumulation? Obviously not in the pleasure of shooting.

I have a friend up north with an older BlackHawk .44 Mag and will undoubtedly be taking him a box of "warm" reloads to share the next time I'm up, probably shooting them with him next spring or summer. I had my hands on the gun a few weeks ago and have to admit that it felt like a very solid, very well made chunk of steel with a sweet SA trigger. For now, I have to "make due" with my S&W 629-4 Classic DX, which isn't a bad compromise at all

kilimanjaro · September 24, 2013, 03:32 PM

Clearly, you are deficient in 455 Webley, 7.62 Nagant, and 30 Mauser.

The charts don't lie, heed the charts.

kilimanjaro · September 24, 2013, 03:39 PM

Seriously, if the charts are an aid to collecting, need to add cost and value, it's another point of analysis. For example, if 60% of your value is in one pistol, or 87% is in pistols worth only $256 apiece, you may want to consider your investment.

The important thing is to enjoy them all, though.

tony pasley · September 24, 2013, 06:56 PM

Those charts could make interesting target shooting, like topping the bar graphs.

redhawk45 · September 24, 2013, 08:58 PM

I do not see a 32?

Seaman · September 25, 2013, 12:32 PM

Yes, the absence of a 32 cal is glaring. The aforementioned Nagant, the S&W 32s, and an incredible variety of 32ACP pistols... and not even one example in your charts.

The 32ACP was the first cartridge in a double-stack Mag (Savage mag patented 1905 - "10 shots quick!).

George Patton shot a 32ACP M1903 Colt in competitions, and btw was also John Browning's EDC. Even Teddy Roosevelt kept a 32ACP M1900 Browning as a night-stand gun. And the 32ACP PPK - 'brick thru a plate glass window' best ever CCW handgun. And on and on and....

"Clearly, you are deficient in 455 Webley, 7.62 Nagant, and 30 Mauser. The charts don't lie, heed the charts." [kilimanjaro]

Indeed.

Heed the charts... get a 32.

PS: 32 cal handguns are a hoot to shoot, and will put a smile on your face.

spacecoast · September 25, 2013, 12:55 PM

One of my .380s is a beautiful Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless dating from 1922. Not exactly a .32ACP, but close enough in my book, especially with the very mild loads I shoot through it.

Seaman · September 25, 2013, 02:24 PM

Thats interesting, I find that if I shoot 'very mild loads', my auto-pistols will not cycle properly, and jams result. Which is why I shoot very mild loads thru revolvers (where moon-clips are normally used), but the 32ACP is a semi-rimmed cartridge and can be fired thru a revolver chambered for 32 long.

You should try 32ACP, a cartridge that cuts deeper than 380, yet without the extra snap.

spacecoast · September 25, 2013, 03:16 PM

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You should try 32ACP, a cartridge that cuts deeper than 380, yet without the extra snap.

This old Colt of mine is a real pleasure to shoot. I use a 95 grain LRN bullet under 2.5 grains of AA#2. Maybe the spring is so old it's well matched to the load, not sure, but it never hiccups and spits the brass maybe a foot to the right of the gun and slightly back. Couldn't ask for a nicer shooting pistol. No snap to speak of, being all steel. It's extremely consistent at 25 yards and very accurate as long as you aim about 8 inches low.

I think the newer polymer guns, being so small and light, have a stiffer recoil spring and like a stiffer load. I have a couple like that.

Seaman · September 25, 2013, 03:56 PM

I have a 32ACP M1903 Colt, which is similar to your M1908. A very enjoyable shooter, quick too, not sure why Colt stopped building them.

The 380 PPK, was less accurate (for me) than the 32ACP PPKs. So I replaced the 380 barrel with a new 32ACP barrel, the 380 PPK mags accept the smaller 32ACP cartridges just fine, no hiccups, and it is extremely accurate, you can definitely notice less snap in a 32ACP PPK compared to a 380 PPK.

When loading 40 cal or 45ACP, light loads just don't cycle right in my 1911s or Sigs, they jam, but a revolver with moon-clips can function just fine with very light loads.

The best 32 ACP handguns were built from about 1910 to 1935, there are still a lot of good ones out there, but if you buy one...well they're kinda like potato chips...

September 24, 2013, 06:56 PM	#29
tony pasley Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2006 Location: western north carolina Posts: 1,641	Those charts could make interesting target shooting, like topping the bar graphs. __________________ Every day Congress is in session we lose a little bit more of our Liberty.

September 25, 2013, 12:32 PM	#31
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	Yes, the absence of a 32 cal is glaring. The aforementioned Nagant, the S&W 32s, and an incredible variety of 32ACP pistols... and not even one example in your charts. The 32ACP was the first cartridge in a double-stack Mag (Savage mag patented 1905 - "10 shots quick!). George Patton shot a 32ACP M1903 Colt in competitions, and btw was also John Browning's EDC. Even Teddy Roosevelt kept a 32ACP M1900 Browning as a night-stand gun. And the 32ACP PPK - 'brick thru a plate glass window' best ever CCW handgun. And on and on and.... "Clearly, you are deficient in 455 Webley, 7.62 Nagant, and 30 Mauser. The charts don't lie, heed the charts." [kilimanjaro] Indeed. Heed the charts... get a 32. PS: 32 cal handguns are a hoot to shoot, and will put a smile on your face. __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

September 25, 2013, 02:24 PM	#33
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	Thats interesting, I find that if I shoot 'very mild loads', my auto-pistols will not cycle properly, and jams result. Which is why I shoot very mild loads thru revolvers (where moon-clips are normally used), but the 32ACP is a semi-rimmed cartridge and can be fired thru a revolver chambered for 32 long. You should try 32ACP, a cartridge that cuts deeper than 380, yet without the extra snap. __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

September 25, 2013, 03:56 PM	#35
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	I have a 32ACP M1903 Colt, which is similar to your M1908. A very enjoyable shooter, quick too, not sure why Colt stopped building them. The 380 PPK, was less accurate (for me) than the 32ACP PPKs. So I replaced the 380 barrel with a new 32ACP barrel, the 380 PPK mags accept the smaller 32ACP cartridges just fine, no hiccups, and it is extremely accurate, you can definitely notice less snap in a 32ACP PPK compared to a 380 PPK. When loading 40 cal or 45ACP, light loads just don't cycle right in my 1911s or Sigs, they jam, but a revolver with moon-clips can function just fine with very light loads. The best 32 ACP handguns were built from about 1910 to 1935, there are still a lot of good ones out there, but if you buy one...well they're kinda like potato chips... __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

September 24, 2013, 03:32 PM	#27
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Clearly, you are deficient in 455 Webley, 7.62 Nagant, and 30 Mauser. The charts don't lie, heed the charts.

September 24, 2013, 03:39 PM	#28
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Seriously, if the charts are an aid to collecting, need to add cost and value, it's another point of analysis. For example, if 60% of your value is in one pistol, or 87% is in pistols worth only $256 apiece, you may want to consider your investment. The important thing is to enjoy them all, though.

September 24, 2013, 08:58 PM	#30
redhawk45 Member Join Date: July 2, 2012 Posts: 85	I do not see a 32?

September 25, 2013, 12:55 PM	#32
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	One of my .380s is a beautiful Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless dating from 1922. Not exactly a .32ACP, but close enough in my book, especially with the very mild loads I shoot through it.