New Rash of Campus Carry Legislation - Page 2

Silver Bullet · April 9, 2011, 11:35 PM

rash ?

csmsss · April 11, 2011, 07:30 PM

Not looking good in Austin for campus carry:

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14425...gain-in-austin

armoredman · April 11, 2011, 08:49 PM

AZ Campus Carry was changed to Right of Way and sidewalks in area, and that one is on the Governors desk. Step in the right direction...

Bartholomew Roberts · April 14, 2011, 04:08 PM

April 12 update from TSRA on Campus CarrY:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSRA

First Senator Lucio and then Senator Gallegos!
Greetings!

Rumors include the Brady Campaign funneling money into Texas to kill CHL on Campus!

Background:

SB 354by Sen. Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio) would allow adult students, faculty, and staff with a concealed handgun license to carry in buildings located on college campuses currently prohibited by Texas law. SB 354 would also stop colleges and universities from creating administrative rules which serve to expel a student or terminate an employee for simply having their licensed handgun in their personal vehicle.

You might be interested in knowing that every college and university in the state of Texas has such administrative rules on the books. That's what local control buys you: zip, nada, nothing!

Update and Status:

SB 354 became eligible to be debated on the Senate floor last week. TSRA worked to help Senator Wentworth count the required votes to reach the two-thirds rule. The Texas House uses a Calendars Committee which prioritizes and sets the House Calendar; the Senate requires 2/3s of the total senators present to agree to bring a bill up for discussion. There are 31 senators and the required number is 21. The final vote is an up or down simple majority.

It's a gentlemen's agreement. I'll hear your bill even though I might ultimately vote against it, and you'll hear mine. It also gives power to the minority party and in the case of SB 354, a great deal of power. Two Senators have taken SB 354 hostage, two with help from their "friends".

Senator Wentworth had counted his votes and turned in his list to the Lt. Governor and we were good-to-go with 22 votes, counting Senator Wentworth.

Lt Governor Dewhurst recognized Senator Wentworth who made the required motion to suspend the rules and consider SB 354. A debate followed.

The list of senators agreeing to the two-thirds rule included Senator Lucio (D-Brownsville). Senator Lucio requested language that would address a primary, secondary, and child-care facility on one of his college campuses. Over night the language was hammered out and Senator Lucio's staff believed the correction would address the school's concerns, would be acceptable to Senator Lucio, and wasn't harmful to Senator Wentworth's bill. Good-to-go...

The next day, last Thursday, as Senator Wentworth laid out and began explaining his bill, Senator Lucio decided that he wanted his college to take the weekend (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday) to review this language and insisted Senator Wentworth hold off.

Wentworth was ready and anxious to get on with it. He would keep the language but did not want to wait three more days. Lucio removed his name from the list and now we were down to 21 but still Good-to-go.

For quite a while the debate continued among those who opposed the bill. This included Senator Steve Ogden (R-Bryan). Ogden insisted that so few students would have a concealed handgun license, how could this number possibly make a college campus more safe. Senator, this is about personal safety! Not policing a college campus.

After a couple of hours a group of senators gathered around Senator Mario Gallegos' desk. Gallegos was on the two-thirds list. Senator Gallegos supported a similar bill last session and told me he had no problem supporting it again. However, with some pressure from the opposition, he too took his name off and now we were at 20 and below the required number. The wheels came off!

Senators Lucio and Gallegos signed the sheet and pledged to vote for the two-third rule to bring up SB 354. The pledge sheet was submitted to the Lt. Governor's desk. Nothing happened to cause these two senators to go back on their commitment, their word to Senator Wentworth and to Texans.

Below is the list of contact information for Texas state senators:

Please pay special attention and email and to call Senators Lucio (D-Brownsville), Gallegos (D-Houston), and Ogden (R-Bryan). It's not a waste of time, it's important that everyone hears from you but particularly the "opposition". If you have children or grandchildren in a Texas college let the Senate know this information too.

Senate Contact Part 1
*Senator Brian Birdwell (R-Granbury) (Co-author) u
[email protected]
512-463-0122

*Senator John Carona (R-Dallas)
(Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0116

Senator Wendy Davis (D-Fort Worth)
[email protected]
512-463-0110

*Senator Robert Deuell (R-Greenville) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0102

Senator Robert Duncan (R-Lubbock)
[email protected]
512-463-0128

Senator Rodney Ellis (D-Houston)
[email protected]
512-463-0113

*Senator Craig Estes (R-Wichita Falls) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0130

*Senator Troy Fraser (R-Horseshoe Bay) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0124

Senator Mario Gallegos, Jr. (D-Houston)
[email protected]
512-463-0106

*Senator Chris Harris (R-Arlington) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0109

*Senator Glenn Hegar, Jr. (R-Katy) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0118

Senator Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa (D-McAllen)
[email protected]
512-463-0120

Senator Joan Huffman (R-Southside Place)
[email protected]
512-463-0117

*Senator Mike Jackson (R-La Porte) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0111

Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr. (D-Brownsville)
[email protected]
512-463-0127

*Senator Jane Nelson (R-Flower Mound) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0112

Senator Robert Nichols (R-Jacksonville)
[email protected]
512-463-0103

Senate Contact Part 2
[email protected]
512-463-0105

*Senator Dan Patrick (R-Houston)(Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0107

Senator Jose Rodriguez (D-El Paso)
[email protected]
512-463-0129

*Senator Kel Seliger (R-Amarillo) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0129

Senator Florence Shapiro (R-Plano)
[email protected]
512-463-0108

Senator Carlos Uresti (D-San Antonio)
[email protected]
512-463-0119

Senator Leticia Van de Putte (D-San Antonio)
[email protected]
512-463-0126

Senator Kirk Watson (D-Austin)
[email protected]
512-463-0114

**Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio) (Bill Author)
[email protected]
512-463-0125

Senator Royce West (D-Dallas)
[email protected]
512-463-0123

Senator John Whitmire (D-Houston)
[email protected]
512-463-0115

*Senator Tommy Williams (R-The Woodlands) (Co-author)
[email protected]
512-463-0104

Senator Judith Zaffirini (D-Laredo)
[email protected]
512-463-0121

SB 354 is a personal safety bill for concealed handgun licensees. What good is protection with outrageous limitations.

Thanks for your help and join, renew, or upgrade your membership at www.tsra.com or call 512-615-4200.

Keep the Faith!

Alice Tripp
Texas State Rifle Association

Legislative Director

Glenn E. Meyer · April 15, 2011, 09:03 AM

Thanks for the update. If the bill gets through the Senate - imagine the horror in the House.

Glenn

csmsss · April 18, 2011, 10:08 PM

I'm not sure what the political calculus in AZ is now, as Gov. Brewer vetoed the campus carry bill, which was already watered down if not outright neutered: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...lege-campuses/

Seems as though Gov. Brewer is doing a 180 with respect to firearms legislation and her attitude toward personal carry. It is unclear what has caused her change in attitude.

maestro pistolero · April 19, 2011, 01:34 AM

Governor Brewer will pay for veto that in the next election if this isn't passed in some form before then. AZ folks don't like to screw with the second amendment.

kozak6 · April 21, 2011, 07:51 PM

As introduced, the bill would have allowed those with CCW permits to carry on school grounds.

As amended, it would have allowed lawful possession and carry on a public right of way. This was intended to allow guns on major streets that pass through campus, but could be interpreted broadly enough such that it could include most of campus. Does this include buildings? Probably not, and it would probably take a couple lawsuits to figure out just exactly what a public right of way is.

What is a more reasonable?

a) Brewer claims to to have rejected it because it was poorly written and unclear. She claims that even though she is a proponent of the 2nd Amendment and has a long history of supporting it, it doesn't automatically translate into a signature. Why? She claims, "While I support thoughtful expansion of where firearms should be allowed, the actual legislation that does so must be unambiguous and clear to protect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners."

b) She has secretly become a gun hating zealot.

For the love of god, read a newspaper. Sometimes I feel like we are our own worst enemy.

Also, would it have even been a victory if it were signed? Does it really do anyone any good if they can carry on campus except for in buildings?

April 9, 2011, 11:35 PM	#26
Silver Bullet Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 995	rash ? __________________ I am not a real bullet, nor do I play one on television. American socialism: Democrats trying to get Republicans to provide for them.

April 15, 2011, 09:03 AM	#30
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Thanks for the update. If the bill gets through the Senate - imagine the horror in the House. Glenn __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

April 11, 2011, 07:30 PM	#27
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Not looking good in Austin for campus carry: http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14425...gain-in-austin

April 11, 2011, 08:49 PM	#28
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	AZ Campus Carry was changed to Right of Way and sidewalks in area, and that one is on the Governors desk. Step in the right direction...

April 18, 2011, 10:08 PM	#31
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	I'm not sure what the political calculus in AZ is now, as Gov. Brewer vetoed the campus carry bill, which was already watered down if not outright neutered: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...lege-campuses/ Seems as though Gov. Brewer is doing a 180 with respect to firearms legislation and her attitude toward personal carry. It is unclear what has caused her change in attitude.

April 19, 2011, 01:34 AM	#32
maestro pistolero Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 2,153	Governor Brewer will pay for veto that in the next election if this isn't passed in some form before then. AZ folks don't like to screw with the second amendment.

April 21, 2011, 07:51 PM	#33
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	As introduced, the bill would have allowed those with CCW permits to carry on school grounds. As amended, it would have allowed lawful possession and carry on a public right of way. This was intended to allow guns on major streets that pass through campus, but could be interpreted broadly enough such that it could include most of campus. Does this include buildings? Probably not, and it would probably take a couple lawsuits to figure out just exactly what a public right of way is. What is a more reasonable? a) Brewer claims to to have rejected it because it was poorly written and unclear. She claims that even though she is a proponent of the 2nd Amendment and has a long history of supporting it, it doesn't automatically translate into a signature. Why? She claims, "While I support thoughtful expansion of where firearms should be allowed, the actual legislation that does so must be unambiguous and clear to protect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners." b) She has secretly become a gun hating zealot. For the love of god, read a newspaper. Sometimes I feel like we are our own worst enemy. Also, would it have even been a victory if it were signed? Does it really do anyone any good if they can carry on campus except for in buildings?