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October 27, 2000, 09:39 PM | #1 |
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Being new to reloading I'm not sure how to tell ball from flaked and be sure....Yet Also can I mail order WW 231? The retail store where I live really suck in service but have good prices but I'd rather support anybody else.
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October 27, 2000, 09:56 PM | #2 |
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Yes it's a ball powder and yes you can order it from another source. However, if you have it shipped, you must pay a hazmat fee.
Some dealers will eat the hazmat fee if you buy large containers i.e. 8lb kegs. In some cases, they'll eat the hazmat if you buy either a 8lb or 16lb keg. Around these here parts, W231 is readily available in almost every gun shop. Regards ------------------ Son 1911 Addiction "The tree of liberty will grow only when watered by the blood of tyrants." [This message has been edited by ArmySon (edited October 28, 2000).] |
October 28, 2000, 12:33 AM | #3 |
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Son is correct. Many other powder makers (AA, Hodgdon...) manuf ball powders, but Winchester owns the trademark on "ball", so they are marketed under different descriptions such as spherical
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October 28, 2000, 08:01 AM | #4 |
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First of all, there isn't a dealer alive who will eat a $15 HazMat charge on an 8 pound caddy of powder!
Secondly, Hodgdon does NOT manufacture powder. Their powders are made by several manufacturers and simply re-packaged and distributed by Hodgdon. |
October 28, 2000, 09:59 AM | #5 |
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You sure are one angry fellow. T&T Reloading consistently pays the haz mat fee for 16lb keg or 25,000 primer orders. On occasion, I believe they run specials where they eat the haz mat if you order 8lb kegs in conjunction with bullets, brass whatever. I thought Cabelas at one time ate the haz mat fee too with 8lb keg orders. Then again, I could be wrong. |
October 28, 2000, 01:35 PM | #6 |
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Thanks for the Info I'll check out T&T. I plan to use ww231 for all my pistols I have tried CCI primers and Not happy so I'll try the winchesters(reccomended here at TFL) I'm loading .44spl .45 ACP and 9mm
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October 28, 2000, 01:59 PM | #7 |
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I have shot W231 a lot it is a good powder a little smokie though.Dont forget about Bullseye powder.In my opinion it is cleaner burning.Also I read that someone did a test and found that Bullseye would give the same velocity with less powder in the 45ACP and with Less pressure.Just food for thought.
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October 29, 2000, 10:05 AM | #8 |
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Many of Hodgdon's powders, including HP 38 and H110, are made by Winchester, or were at one time.
HP 38 is a virtual twin of WW 231, and H110 is almost identical to WW 296. ------------------ Smith & Wesson is dead to me. If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED! |
October 31, 2000, 01:14 PM | #9 |
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Yup, Win 231 is a "Ball" powder. It just looks like a flake because it is flattened in the manufacturing process.
It's the old adjust the burning characteristics by altering the physical shape trick. It's a ball just like oatmeal is a grain. Both get smashed before delivery to the user. Re: Bullseye...I once watched a guy chrono 9mm loads with 90-grain bullets all the way up to 1500 FPS. DO NOT TRY THIS!!! He was obviously way over pressure before he reached 1400 fps. It was an experiment, using a pistol which is no longer made. I think his top experimental loads would blow even a Glock 17. He did *not* repeat the experiment and sticks with published loading data for all loads now. |
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