|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
August 8, 2017, 09:35 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 21, 2011
Location: Idaho
Posts: 7,839
|
arisaka gurus, have a question about mum/CC marks
I just won a bid for a type 38 arisaka. in my opinion I paid a bit much for it but didn't really occur to me until I had just checked out and saw all the extra fees I incurred and didn't notice... stupid me...
anyway, the listing claimed that this was a super uber rare type 38 that had seen military service but then had the mum struck over with the concentric circle and removed from service for sale to another country. this story sounds completely bogus to me as I was under the impression that CC rifles were built from the beginning as sale contract rifles. is there any documentation or validity to claims that some rifles were removed from service and sold or was this just a fancy way to deface the mum postwar? also doesn't look like a concentric circle to me. EDIT: in a cruel twist of fate, I also just won a rifle that I bid on before this one that is a dufflecut 38 carbine, does anyone know roughly the amount of value lost in a dufflecut rifle?
__________________
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Last edited by tahunua001; August 11, 2017 at 06:53 PM. |
August 9, 2017, 05:42 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 555
|
Yeah tahunua, I sure felt the sting of high shipping costs on an auction early in my on-line career.
Did not pay attention when I bid ,so I paid when I won. Since then if there is not a dollar figure on shipping, I ask about it early in the auction. No answer means I either bid as if shipping were 75.00 or I do not bid at all. Were the photos so bad you could not make the Koishikawa Arsenal symbol over the mum instead of the claimed circles? The rifle shown is a rather common variation of a removed from service type 38. I have taken a chance on several with bad photos. Good luck so far. I have never read of overseas sales of any of the defaced mum (or CC rifles) myself. Nice 'tan line' on it from the dust cover though! Enjoy it as a shooter, JT |
August 9, 2017, 07:18 PM | #3 |
Member In Memoriam
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 24,383
|
The "mum" was the symbol of the Emperor and placed on the rifle to show that it was Imperial property (much the same way British rifles were marked with a crown). Most of the rifles with the "mum" struck over by a circle marking were intended for issue to schools (the equivalent of the American ROTC) not for sale to foreign countries. At the end of the war, the US allowed the Japanese to deface the "mum" before surrendering rifles stored in depots, but that was done in a much cruder manner, either with a blunt object or a grinder. Contrary to some interesting stories, Japanese soldiers in the field did not carry grinders to remove the crest before engaging in "Banzai charges," nor did President Truman order the FBI to search out every captured Japanese rifle in the country and grind off the crest.
Jim |
August 10, 2017, 10:08 PM | #4 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: July 21, 2011
Location: Idaho
Posts: 7,839
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin |
|||
August 11, 2017, 06:56 PM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 21, 2011
Location: Idaho
Posts: 7,839
|
I also posted this in the OP as an update. so I had bid on a rifle that I had not hope or intention of winning, I only bid the minimum amount with 5 days left on the auction, well apparently I just won it. the rifle in question is a type 38 carbine with mum intact that is a very obvious duffle cut just behind the tang. does anyone know how much this decreases the value and whether this is going to create structural issues if I try and fire it?
__________________
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin |
August 12, 2017, 03:05 PM | #6 |
Member In Memoriam
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 24,383
|
At one time, there were folks who could repair a cut stock, but I am not aware of any active today. The usual method was to drill both ends and use a thick dowel rod and glue to put the stock back together. (Alternatively, of course, a used stock can probably be found, but some variations are scarce.)
Jim |
August 12, 2017, 11:10 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 19, 2005
Location: Tx Panhandle Territory
Posts: 4,159
|
Give these guys a holler about that stock. They seem to have the craziest knack for coming up with needed pieces, parts, and doo-daderies of all sorts.
http://oldguns.net/ Edit: Numrich has them from $53 to $155 for the set.
__________________
Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two. Last edited by 10-96; August 12, 2017 at 11:18 PM. |
August 27, 2017, 10:21 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 29, 2014
Posts: 119
|
I'm still trying to get my bringback type 38 up and running so if you want to part it out or if anyone has an extra bolt (or firing pin, spring, and safety) hollar at me! $$
|
|
|