Non-lethal Shells

Sphawley · August 11, 2010, 11:39 PM

I'm looking to have some non-lethal shells on hand, What should I look for when buying this?

Where is the best place to shop for this?

mete · August 12, 2010, 12:51 AM

Explain what you mean by "non-lethal" A better term would be "less lethal". What is your purpose ?

TheGoldenState · August 12, 2010, 01:16 AM

Agreed with Mete, give us some more info.

hogdogs · August 12, 2010, 01:21 AM

If you are using them to run off various 4 legged critters and are successful, COOL!!! They ain't talkin' and neither are you (at least you shouldn't be) and so long as they don't get mad at ya', you probably won't have an issue...

But for 2 leggers, you never are justified to "scare off" a human with a firearm. If you are in fear for life, a LTL (less than lethal) round will never provide the sho nuff stoppin' power. So if justified to brandish a firearm against a person, you are justified and ultimately responsible to yourself and any other human in your care, to STOP THE THREAT...

Brent

kozak6 · August 12, 2010, 02:58 AM

Firing a shotgun at someone is considered using lethal force. If whatever they're doing isn't worth shooting them with buckshot, do you really have any business firing a shotgun at them?

Also, you really need to know the intended use of the less lethal ammo. Much of it is possibly lethal if used within 30 feet. How big is your house? Or if it's rubber buckshot, it might be designed to be bounced off the sidewalk at rioter's legs way down the street and not fired into Mickey McMethmouth's face 10 feet away.

The flip side is that if Mickey McMethmouth is as high as a kite and doesn't notice your less lethal rounds, you might need lethal force after all.

And then having both round types on hand is potentially risky.

Sphawley · August 12, 2010, 10:03 AM

I was just looking to have some beanbag rounds for fun...No particular use.

This would NOT be included in my home defense, I use the Winchester PDX1 for HD.

robthebuilder · August 13, 2010, 05:24 PM

Here's one example:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...spx?catid=1959

dahermit · August 13, 2010, 05:30 PM

"Non-lethal" rock salt load resulted in a death of a teenage girl in Jackson, Michigan a few short years ago. The person firing at her paid the price. If the poster wants such a load to use on a human, he had better think twice.

mothermopar · August 13, 2010, 06:39 PM

Bah... look to these instead:

http://www.firequest.com/exotic-shotgun-ammo.html

Young.Gun.612 · August 13, 2010, 06:50 PM

HOLY COW!

That exotic shotgun ammo is some COOL STUFF! Time to buy a Mossberg, and load it with some double slugs. Or some flamethrowers. Or some "Macho Gauchos".

oneounceload · August 13, 2010, 07:21 PM

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That exotic shotgun ammo is some COOL STUFF! Time to buy a Mossberg, and load it with some double slugs. Or some flamethrowers. Or some "Macho Gauchos".

OR, buy a nice double and practice for bird season....guess it depends on what your priority is..........

mete · August 13, 2010, 07:45 PM

One that I've used to get deer out of the garden is a 12 ga round that goes out to 75 yds then goes off with a very loud BANG ! Works fine .
There's Dragons Breath that is impressive at night .

hogdogs · August 13, 2010, 09:38 PM

I want to start "Catch & Release" Dove huntin' Can I get, like,... some sort of net thinghys so I can turn the birdie loose. I might have to re-pack them for reloads.

After mastering that, I can start packin' parachutes fer higher!

Brent

Rampant_Colt · August 19, 2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Young.Gun.612

HOLY COW!

That exotic shotgun ammo is some COOL STUFF! Time to buy a Mossberg, and load it with some double slugs. Or some flamethrowers. Or some "Macho Gauchos".

You could buy a flat of 250rds for the price of 50 of that gimmick ammo..

http://www.firequest.com/exotic-shotgun-ammo.html

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This ammo is restricted in the following cities and/or states: All of Alaska; All of CA; All of FL; All of HI; All of IL; All of MA; NYC , NY; Bronx, NY; Brooklyn, NY; Manhattan, NY; Staten Island, NY; Queens, NY; Washington D.C., APO & FPO Addresses, No PO boxes

LoL

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12 Gauge Terminator X - 25 Units Per Package $69.99

The lethality contained within the hollow core slug of our terminator 12 GA almost can't be advertised. Upon impact, this slug mushrooms and expands to nearly two inches, stopping the slug from totally penetrating your objective. This rapid expansion forces the dozen of tiny pellets to spread through your objective like a cancerous disease, opening an area at the impact point equal to a softball. The cavity created has the shock effect of 95%. That means only 5% of any living being could survive this kind of hit. 2 3/4" round

LoL ► this is hilarious!

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The "Rhodesian Jungle" rounds are great for in-home defense! The combination of several large pellets surrounded by a mass of smaller pellets allows for double punching power to any intruder that is unlucky enough to cross its path. Make the intruder think twice with this double whammer power. If the big pellets don't get you, the small ones will. 2 3/4 round
12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle - 25 Round Pak $59.99

double-whammy power!

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This 12 GA. round contains dozens of razor sharp steel tacks that blast out at high velocity which virtually guarantees that there will be no response from the perpetrator. Each round is buffed with #12 shot thus creating a double shock to the wound area. Absolutely will not harm your shotgun. To be used no closer than 10 feet and no further than 50 feet. 2 3/4" round
12 Gauge Piranha - 25 Round Pack $69.99

number 12 shot is like dust!
I see liability written all over this stuff

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12 Gauge Pit Bull - 25 Pack $69.99

Pure Power! The Pit Bull is a powerful 12 gauge round packed with six 00-Buck pellets topped with a heavy-duty 1.3 oz. slug! Loaded extra hot for MAXIMUM stopping power! Once it bites, it won't let go. This is the number one rated ammo for home and self defense. 2 3/4" round

sounds like it would rattle yer teeth!

hogdogs · August 19, 2010, 01:27 AM

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12 Gauge Pit Bull - 25 Pack $69.99

Pure Power! The Pit Bull is a powerful 12 gauge round packed with six 00-Buck pellets topped with a heavy-duty 1.3 oz. slug! Loaded extra hot for MAXIMUM stopping power! Once it bites, it won't let go. This is the number one rated ammo for home and self defense. 2 3/4" round
sounds like it would rattle yer teeth!

They have nearly a 2 ounce payload and call it "Extra Hot" load in a 2 3/4 inch shell

I wonder what you could load into a 3 1/2" shell...

Brent

oneounceload · August 19, 2010, 10:49 AM

Amazing what Video Game Commandoes will buy, isn't it, Brent?....

zippy13 · August 19, 2010, 12:17 PM

I'm surprised, Firequest doesn't seem to market a load specifically for zombies -- they have everything else covered.

**Spats McGee** · August 19, 2010, 12:22 PM

Personally, I like the confetti rounds.

abelacres · August 19, 2010, 12:35 PM

did anybody else see the 12ga/.410 adapter on firequest? is that a brilliant or stupid?

SigP6Carry · August 19, 2010, 08:06 PM

I'd honestly NEVER use "non-lethal" ammo is a situatoin that I felt I needed to use a gun in... EVER! The way I see it: if someone broke in with the intention to rob/kill me, I wouldn't give them the option of getting hit with a beanbag, cause if they were hopped up on PCP/Coke/Crack/Meth/Heroin/Whatever, then that round wouldn't be enough. You know what I mean. If the use of a firearm is warranted, the use of deadly force is. Unless you're LAPD or NYPD or CPD or NOPD (or similar) the use of "non-lethal" rounds isn't apt.

Also, that scene in View to a Kill (the Roger Moore James Bond with Chris Walken) where he shoots people with rock salt and they just run away scared isn't accurate to what rock salt will do at close range.

Edit: those rounds are scary on that site... got... wow, I'd hate to use those in any situation... wow, scary.

Baryngyl · August 20, 2010, 12:05 AM

With that Dragons Breath it seems you could kill em and cook em all at once.

Michael Grace

Webleymkv · August 20, 2010, 12:38 AM

S&B does make some specialty loads with both rubber buckshot and rubber 12ga balls.

Shells like these used to be somewhat popular for police use, particularly riot and crowd control. Usually, rubber shot if fired at the ground in front of a mob in hopes that it will ricochet into the crowd and cause them to disperse without causing serious injury.

I would not use rubber shot in any circumstance that lethal force would not be justifed other than maybe for running off nuisance animals. The only possible place that I can see for rubber shot in a self-defense situation would be to immediately follow it with regular shot. By doing so, I could see someone possibly being able to claim that they tried using a non-lethal alternative before resorting to deadly force. It is, I admit, a far-fetched idea and I personally just load regular buckshot in my HD shotgun. I figure anything that needs to be shot probably needs to be shot with real buckshot.

scorpion_tyr · August 24, 2010, 07:23 PM

Putting "less than lethal" ammuntion in a LETHAL weapon isn't a very good idea.

1776 Patriat · August 24, 2010, 09:14 PM

"Putting "less than lethal" ammuntion in a LETHAL weapon isn't a very good idea."

X2!!!

Hoskins · August 24, 2010, 11:23 PM

Less Lethal rounds are utilized for riot control, military, & police applications...why someone would want these, other than getting themselves into trouble, is confusing to me. These things can easily kill a person at certain ranges, they are not to be triffled with.

August 12, 2010, 12:51 AM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Explain what you mean by "non-lethal" A better term would be "less lethal". What is your purpose ? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 12, 2010, 01:16 AM	#3
TheGoldenState Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2010 Posts: 1,191	Agreed with Mete, give us some more info. __________________ The Day You Get Comfortable Is The Day You Get Careless...

August 13, 2010, 06:39 PM	#9
mothermopar Member Join Date: April 27, 2010 Posts: 97	Bah... look to these instead: http://www.firequest.com/exotic-shotgun-ammo.html __________________ I can pound a nail in with my Colt 1911 and it'll keep chuggin' along without a burp. Pound a nail in with a Glock and see how it fares. - Mothermopar

August 19, 2010, 12:35 PM	#19
abelacres Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2010 Location: Jackson County Florida Posts: 207	did anybody else see the 12ga/.410 adapter on firequest? is that a brilliant or stupid? __________________ If something seems too good to be true it's best to shoot at it just to be sure

August 19, 2010, 08:06 PM	#20
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	I'd honestly NEVER use "non-lethal" ammo is a situatoin that I felt I needed to use a gun in... EVER! The way I see it: if someone broke in with the intention to rob/kill me, I wouldn't give them the option of getting hit with a beanbag, cause if they were hopped up on PCP/Coke/Crack/Meth/Heroin/Whatever, then that round wouldn't be enough. You know what I mean. If the use of a firearm is warranted, the use of deadly force is. Unless you're LAPD or NYPD or CPD or NOPD (or similar) the use of "non-lethal" rounds isn't apt. Also, that scene in View to a Kill (the Roger Moore James Bond with Chris Walken) where he shoots people with rock salt and they just run away scared isn't accurate to what rock salt will do at close range. Edit: those rounds are scary on that site... got... wow, I'd hate to use those in any situation... wow, scary. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?- Last edited by SigP6Carry; August 19, 2010 at 08:15 PM.

August 11, 2010, 11:39 PM	#1
Sphawley Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 272	Non-lethal Shells I'm looking to have some non-lethal shells on hand, What should I look for when buying this? Where is the best place to shop for this?

August 12, 2010, 01:21 AM	#4
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	If you are using them to run off various 4 legged critters and are successful, COOL!!! They ain't talkin' and neither are you (at least you shouldn't be) and so long as they don't get mad at ya', you probably won't have an issue... But for 2 leggers, you never are justified to "scare off" a human with a firearm. If you are in fear for life, a LTL (less than lethal) round will never provide the sho nuff stoppin' power. So if justified to brandish a firearm against a person, you are justified and ultimately responsible to yourself and any other human in your care, to STOP THE THREAT... Brent

August 12, 2010, 02:58 AM	#5
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Firing a shotgun at someone is considered using lethal force. If whatever they're doing isn't worth shooting them with buckshot, do you really have any business firing a shotgun at them? Also, you really need to know the intended use of the less lethal ammo. Much of it is possibly lethal if used within 30 feet. How big is your house? Or if it's rubber buckshot, it might be designed to be bounced off the sidewalk at rioter's legs way down the street and not fired into Mickey McMethmouth's face 10 feet away. The flip side is that if Mickey McMethmouth is as high as a kite and doesn't notice your less lethal rounds, you might need lethal force after all. And then having both round types on hand is potentially risky.

August 12, 2010, 10:03 AM	#6
Sphawley Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 272	I was just looking to have some beanbag rounds for fun...No particular use. This would NOT be included in my home defense, I use the Winchester PDX1 for HD.

August 13, 2010, 05:24 PM	#7
robthebuilder Member Join Date: March 26, 2010 Posts: 47	Here's one example: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...spx?catid=1959

August 13, 2010, 05:30 PM	#8
dahermit Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2006 Location: South Central Michigan...near Posts: 6,501	"Non-lethal" rock salt load resulted in a death of a teenage girl in Jackson, Michigan a few short years ago. The person firing at her paid the price. If the poster wants such a load to use on a human, he had better think twice.

August 13, 2010, 06:50 PM	#10
Young.Gun.612 Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 400	HOLY COW! That exotic shotgun ammo is some COOL STUFF! Time to buy a Mossberg, and load it with some double slugs. Or some flamethrowers. Or some "Macho Gauchos".

August 13, 2010, 07:45 PM	#12
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	One that I've used to get deer out of the garden is a 12 ga round that goes out to 75 yds then goes off with a very loud BANG ! Works fine . There's Dragons Breath that is impressive at night . __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 13, 2010, 09:38 PM	#13
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	I want to start "Catch & Release" Dove huntin' Can I get, like,... some sort of net thinghys so I can turn the birdie loose. I might have to re-pack them for reloads. After mastering that, I can start packin' parachutes fer higher! Brent

August 19, 2010, 10:49 AM	#16
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Amazing what Video Game Commandoes will buy, isn't it, Brent?....

August 19, 2010, 12:17 PM	#17
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	I'm surprised, Firequest doesn't seem to market a load specifically for zombies -- they have everything else covered.

August 19, 2010, 12:22 PM	#18
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	Personally, I like the confetti rounds.

August 20, 2010, 12:05 AM	#21
Baryngyl Member Join Date: April 29, 2010 Posts: 67	With that Dragons Breath it seems you could kill em and cook em all at once. Michael Grace

August 20, 2010, 12:38 AM	#22
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	S&B does make some specialty loads with both rubber buckshot and rubber 12ga balls. Shells like these used to be somewhat popular for police use, particularly riot and crowd control. Usually, rubber shot if fired at the ground in front of a mob in hopes that it will ricochet into the crowd and cause them to disperse without causing serious injury. I would not use rubber shot in any circumstance that lethal force would not be justifed other than maybe for running off nuisance animals. The only possible place that I can see for rubber shot in a self-defense situation would be to immediately follow it with regular shot. By doing so, I could see someone possibly being able to claim that they tried using a non-lethal alternative before resorting to deadly force. It is, I admit, a far-fetched idea and I personally just load regular buckshot in my HD shotgun. I figure anything that needs to be shot probably needs to be shot with real buckshot.

August 24, 2010, 07:23 PM	#23
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	Putting "less than lethal" ammuntion in a LETHAL weapon isn't a very good idea. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

August 24, 2010, 09:14 PM	#24
1776 Patriat Member Join Date: August 24, 2010 Location: Ga Posts: 41	"Putting "less than lethal" ammuntion in a LETHAL weapon isn't a very good idea." X2!!!

August 24, 2010, 11:23 PM	#25
Hoskins Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2010 Posts: 240	Less Lethal rounds are utilized for riot control, military, & police applications...why someone would want these, other than getting themselves into trouble, is confusing to me. These things can easily kill a person at certain ranges, they are not to be triffled with.