Need a load chart for 45LC black powder

BWM · November 7, 2013, 05:38 PM

If any one knows where I can get some data for loading 45LC with black powder from 200 gr bullets up to 255 gr. I have one for 255 that was given to me. I would like to have some data that I can rely on. THANKS Ben

Hawg · November 7, 2013, 06:57 PM

Fill case to within 1/16 from case mouth and seat bullet.

Fingers McGee · November 7, 2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawg

Fill case to within 1/16 from case mouth and seat bullet.

That's what I do for .44-40, 38 spcl, and 45 LC (as well as 45ACP).

Poindexter · November 8, 2013, 05:28 PM

Whats on your load chart for the 255grain?

Just curious...I agree with the other posters in the thread already.

North East Redneck · November 9, 2013, 07:32 PM

Hawg, would that apply to pyrodex as well? And what type of velocity would you expect?

Hawg · November 9, 2013, 08:09 PM

Yep. Pyrodex compresses more than bp. I don't have a chrono or a .45 Colt but I would expect 900-1000 FPS with a 250 grain bullet.

North East Redneck · November 9, 2013, 09:13 PM

Thank you sir

Doc Hoy · November 10, 2013, 07:21 AM

I got into a fracas with Triple 7 and .45LC and .44 Mag.

You can read the results in a thread entitled "I think I made a mistake"

According to Hodgdon and backed up by some additional info, Triple 7 FFFg is too hot for confidently safe shooting in .45 LC and in .44 Magnum. In fact they say, don't shoot it in any cartridges at full load.

You have to read Hodgdon's literature pretty carefully and thoroughly to come up with that conclusion. It is as much what they DON'T say in their blurb as what the DO say.

So here are three pieces of info:

1. Hodgdon says (in a verbal conversation with one of their tech reps) absolutely do not shoot Triple 7 FFFG full loads in cartridges. Could cause failure of the cylinder

2. Some casual conversations with experienced shooters backs that up.

3. For a given revolver model, the larger the caliber, the thinner the cylinder wall and barrel and hence the less mass to absorb energy. (So I think and will adopt this policy that .357, .38LC and .38SC would be okay when fully loaded with 777 FFFg in a good condition new revolver. If I kill myself, I'll let y'all know.)

I misloaded about 400 rounds in .44 Magnum and .45LC (plus some .45-70 Govt that I am less concerned about) and I am in the process of downloading them.

Detractors will tell us that BP develops pressure in a way that puts less stress on the weapon, or that it develops less pressure than smokeless. I know that I have chronied some full Triple Seven FFFg loads in .45 LC (Before I realized it was dangerous) and they were SCREAMING. (Close to a thousand fps) And the pistol gets mighty hot, mighty quick. And the recoil is excessive.

I think I would prolly be safe shooting these loads and I am by nature a fool hearty person. But in this case I am not taking any chances.

For those who think it is alright, I would never try to dispute you or convince you otherwise.

November 7, 2013, 05:38 PM	#1
BWM Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2013 Location: SW IN Posts: 438	Need a load chart for 45LC black powder If any one knows where I can get some data for loading 45LC with black powder from 200 gr bullets up to 255 gr. I have one for 255 that was given to me. I would like to have some data that I can rely on. THANKS Ben __________________ Man that likes guns. Navy. USS Ponchatoula AO 148 USS Vesuvius AE 15

November 9, 2013, 07:32 PM	#5
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Hawg, would that apply to pyrodex as well? And what type of velocity would you expect? __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

November 9, 2013, 09:13 PM	#7
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Thank you sir __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

November 10, 2013, 07:21 AM	#8
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Read carefully..... I got into a fracas with Triple 7 and .45LC and .44 Mag. You can read the results in a thread entitled "I think I made a mistake" According to Hodgdon and backed up by some additional info, Triple 7 FFFg is too hot for confidently safe shooting in .45 LC and in .44 Magnum. In fact they say, don't shoot it in any cartridges at full load. You have to read Hodgdon's literature pretty carefully and thoroughly to come up with that conclusion. It is as much what they DON'T say in their blurb as what the DO say. So here are three pieces of info: 1. Hodgdon says (in a verbal conversation with one of their tech reps) absolutely do not shoot Triple 7 FFFG full loads in cartridges. Could cause failure of the cylinder 2. Some casual conversations with experienced shooters backs that up. 3. For a given revolver model, the larger the caliber, the thinner the cylinder wall and barrel and hence the less mass to absorb energy. (So I think and will adopt this policy that .357, .38LC and .38SC would be okay when fully loaded with 777 FFFg in a good condition new revolver. If I kill myself, I'll let y'all know.) I misloaded about 400 rounds in .44 Magnum and .45LC (plus some .45-70 Govt that I am less concerned about) and I am in the process of downloading them. Detractors will tell us that BP develops pressure in a way that puts less stress on the weapon, or that it develops less pressure than smokeless. I know that I have chronied some full Triple Seven FFFg loads in .45 LC (Before I realized it was dangerous) and they were SCREAMING. (Close to a thousand fps) And the pistol gets mighty hot, mighty quick. And the recoil is excessive. I think I would prolly be safe shooting these loads and I am by nature a fool hearty person. But in this case I am not taking any chances. For those who think it is alright, I would never try to dispute you or convince you otherwise. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

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November 7, 2013, 06:57 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Fill case to within 1/16 from case mouth and seat bullet.

November 8, 2013, 05:28 PM	#4
Poindexter Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2009 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 154	Whats on your load chart for the 255grain? Just curious...I agree with the other posters in the thread already.

November 9, 2013, 08:09 PM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Yep. Pyrodex compresses more than bp. I don't have a chrono or a .45 Colt but I would expect 900-1000 FPS with a 250 grain bullet.