7.5x55 Swiss Stripper Clip Question

Mosin-Marauder · September 22, 2014, 06:57 PM

I have five of the regular issue clips but was wondering, wouldnt a .308/7.62x51 NATO clip work as well? At least for .284 Win Casings necked up for a K-31? They have the exact same rim diameter. For when I do start shooting my K-31 again, it'd be nice to have some Stripper clips I'm not worried about breaking. Thanks for your help,
-Mo.

James K · September 22, 2014, 08:44 PM

The clip slot in the Swiss rifles is much too large for the Mauser, M1903, Swedish or NATO clips.

Jim

barnbwt · September 22, 2014, 09:16 PM

Somebody somewhere is supposed to be bringing new production one's to market (heck, for the 20$ a pop they go for, I may have to hit up alibaba.com and find a Chinese plant to pump out a few thousand in Nylon...)

TCB

barnbwt · September 22, 2014, 09:22 PM

308/06 is also a good .03" or so narrower than 7.5x55 at the rim, so you'll need a clip stretcher (Mauser clips could work; they did do a limited run of them for 7.5x55 K31's in WWII but I doubt they would be secure without an adapter of some sort). The cardboard clips are probably about .08 fatter than the cases, so lots thicker than a stamped sheet metal clip

I was able to make one (so far) clip from felt and epoxy that works well enough. Just too much work at the moment to make more, since I do have enough to tide me over for a while.

TCB

Mosin-Marauder · September 22, 2014, 09:30 PM

There actually is (or should be) a slot for a stamped metal clip as well as the issue ones in the receiver. They were designed so that both would work. Also, I'm using reformed .284 win brass, which is the same as .308 and .01 mm off of 30.06 rim diameter. Someone very generously offered me some .308 clips and in just wanted to be sure incase I end up not being able to use them.

As for someone making them SwissBianco is in the process of producing some stamped ones. Heck, I bet I could make some, I know how to use a press brake and belt sander. That might actually be a good project. ..

zfk55 · September 23, 2014, 07:42 AM

Yo, Mo! Clarify. Are you talking about the "Charger" or the magazine?
Those Swiss chargers are 100+ years old and are still working great! They're not fragile.

Mosin-Marauder · September 23, 2014, 07:49 AM

The charger, specifically.I just don't want to break them. One bent the other day (my dad put something on it by accident) and i had to bend it back ever so slightly, It's not noticeable now, but It made me worry about breaking them.

zfk55 · September 23, 2014, 08:21 AM

M, they're pretty darned sturdy. Think about how "careful" Swiss soldiers were.

Mosin-Marauder · September 23, 2014, 08:37 AM

Well, yeah I guess so, going around kicking rifles out of the snow, haha. Thanks for your help, ZFK. Is there a special way you're supposed to load them? I've been sticking the rim in first and then pivoting the bullet in.

zfk55 · September 23, 2014, 10:47 AM

That's the way I do it.

James K · September 23, 2014, 10:07 PM

Hi, Mosin-Marauder,

I have checked an 1889, a 1911 and a K31 and darned if I can see any second slot for a metallic clip or at least not one that is different in dimensions from other Swiss clips. Could you post a picture of one of those actions showing the second clip guide? Thanks.

Jim

Mosin-Marauder · September 24, 2014, 07:30 AM

There are two cut outs on the side of where the regular stripper clips go. As seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59EKsxfXEqA

Th'is guy was designing metallic stripper clips for this rifle, but I'm not sure if he's done yet.

James K · September 24, 2014, 11:09 AM

Hi, Mo,

OK, my confusion. Yes, there are notches for a clip in those Swiss rifles, probably with the idea that they could use a Mauser type clip if one was ever adopted, but AFAIK ammo was issued only in the cardboard type clip. But the question was whether a 7.62 NATO clip (as in the M14 rifle) could be used with a Swiss rifle and my response was no, it could not, nor can any of the conventional Mauser type clips, though the Swedish and Arisaka clips will accept Swiss ammo, as will the Springfield clip(!).

The video is of a new clip, of which I was unaware, made by that company, that fits only the Swiss rifles; again, AFAIK, nothing like it was ever Swiss military issue.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Jim

Mosin-Marauder · September 24, 2014, 12:34 PM

I think I'll just keep loading them with the particle board clips, might borrow some swede clips and see how those work.

zfk55 · September 24, 2014, 01:28 PM

Mo, they're a permeated fiber board.

James K · September 24, 2014, 07:46 PM

Try the Swedish clip if you want, but all those clips (other than the ones being made and sold specifically for them) are far too small for the Swiss rifles. The clip will fit down into the receiver, but is so loose it would have to be held in position with one hand while the rounds are stripped into the magazine.

Jim

amd6547 · September 24, 2014, 08:13 PM

I do wish that a large quantity of K31 chargers at reasonable prices would show up here. I love how well they function.
In lieu of that, it would be great to see a well made, properly dimentioned polymer version.

Mosin-Marauder · September 24, 2014, 08:24 PM

James I imagine I could use hot glue or a mig welder to get it up to size. Either that or just flat it out a bit. It wouldn't be too awful hard to fabricated some clips with a press brake, might have to try that with mine sometime.

Amd, you can search ebay or gun shows foe them. I got five loaded clips with my rifle. Best deal I think I've ever got on anything...

zfk55 · September 25, 2014, 07:22 AM

Around 12 years ago I brought in maybe 500 of those chargers. I sold them to SRDC members for $1 each. I'm truly astounded at the going price now.

Mosin-Marauder · September 25, 2014, 07:31 AM

I hear they're extremely cheap over in Switzerland, fairly common too.

zfk55 · September 25, 2014, 07:39 AM

I'll check with my man in Switzerland and see what I can find out.

Mosin-Marauder · September 25, 2014, 08:17 AM

He isn't selling is he? I'd like to buy about 5 more.

zfk55 · September 25, 2014, 09:38 AM

He can't ship out of Switzerland to private parties. Believe it or not.......... Those chargers are on the "articles of war" list and ineligible for export.
I have a way around that through my second distributor in Europe, but with just a few, the shipping would kill you.

Mosin-Marauder · September 25, 2014, 09:45 AM

Just out of curiosity, how much would shipping be? Haha.

Also, you wouldn't know a good source for 480 rounds of GP11 would you? I'd like to have a good amount around when i get back to shooting the K-31.

vkeith · September 26, 2014, 11:51 PM

CTD currently has the best price on GP11 at 48¢ per round. That's as about as good a price as I've seen in years. Back when I first bought my K31, I found some at a LGS for 40¢ a round, but that was a one time deal.

September 22, 2014, 06:57 PM	#1
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	7.5x55 Swiss Stripper Clip Question I have five of the regular issue clips but was wondering, wouldnt a .308/7.62x51 NATO clip work as well? At least for .284 Win Casings necked up for a K-31? They have the exact same rim diameter. For when I do start shooting my K-31 again, it'd be nice to have some Stripper clips I'm not worried about breaking. Thanks for your help, -Mo. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 22, 2014, 09:16 PM	#3
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	Somebody somewhere is supposed to be bringing new production one's to market (heck, for the 20$ a pop they go for, I may have to hit up alibaba.com and find a Chinese plant to pump out a few thousand in Nylon...) TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

September 22, 2014, 09:22 PM	#4
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	308/06 is also a good .03" or so narrower than 7.5x55 at the rim, so you'll need a clip stretcher (Mauser clips could work; they did do a limited run of them for 7.5x55 K31's in WWII but I doubt they would be secure without an adapter of some sort). The cardboard clips are probably about .08 fatter than the cases, so lots thicker than a stamped sheet metal clip I was able to make one (so far) clip from felt and epoxy that works well enough. Just too much work at the moment to make more, since I do have enough to tide me over for a while. TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

September 22, 2014, 09:30 PM	#5
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	There actually is (or should be) a slot for a stamped metal clip as well as the issue ones in the receiver. They were designed so that both would work. Also, I'm using reformed .284 win brass, which is the same as .308 and .01 mm off of 30.06 rim diameter. Someone very generously offered me some .308 clips and in just wanted to be sure incase I end up not being able to use them. As for someone making them SwissBianco is in the process of producing some stamped ones. Heck, I bet I could make some, I know how to use a press brake and belt sander. That might actually be a good project. .. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 23, 2014, 07:42 AM	#6
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Yo, Mo! Clarify. Are you talking about the "Charger" or the magazine? Those Swiss chargers are 100+ years old and are still working great! They're not fragile. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 22, 2014, 08:44 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The clip slot in the Swiss rifles is much too large for the Mauser, M1903, Swedish or NATO clips. Jim

September 23, 2014, 07:49 AM	#7
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	The charger, specifically.I just don't want to break them. One bent the other day (my dad put something on it by accident) and i had to bend it back ever so slightly, It's not noticeable now, but It made me worry about breaking them. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 23, 2014, 08:21 AM	#8
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	M, they're pretty darned sturdy. Think about how "careful" Swiss soldiers were. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 23, 2014, 08:37 AM	#9
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Well, yeah I guess so, going around kicking rifles out of the snow, haha. Thanks for your help, ZFK. Is there a special way you're supposed to load them? I've been sticking the rim in first and then pivoting the bullet in. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 23, 2014, 10:47 AM	#10
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	That's the way I do it. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 23, 2014, 10:07 PM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, Mosin-Marauder, I have checked an 1889, a 1911 and a K31 and darned if I can see any second slot for a metallic clip or at least not one that is different in dimensions from other Swiss clips. Could you post a picture of one of those actions showing the second clip guide? Thanks. Jim

September 24, 2014, 07:30 AM	#12
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	There are two cut outs on the side of where the regular stripper clips go. As seen here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59EKsxfXEqA Th'is guy was designing metallic stripper clips for this rifle, but I'm not sure if he's done yet. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 24, 2014, 11:09 AM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, Mo, OK, my confusion. Yes, there are notches for a clip in those Swiss rifles, probably with the idea that they could use a Mauser type clip if one was ever adopted, but AFAIK ammo was issued only in the cardboard type clip. But the question was whether a 7.62 NATO clip (as in the M14 rifle) could be used with a Swiss rifle and my response was no, it could not, nor can any of the conventional Mauser type clips, though the Swedish and Arisaka clips will accept Swiss ammo, as will the Springfield clip(!). The video is of a new clip, of which I was unaware, made by that company, that fits only the Swiss rifles; again, AFAIK, nothing like it was ever Swiss military issue. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Jim

September 24, 2014, 12:34 PM	#14
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	I think I'll just keep loading them with the particle board clips, might borrow some swede clips and see how those work. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 24, 2014, 01:28 PM	#15
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Mo, they're a permeated fiber board. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 24, 2014, 07:46 PM	#16
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Try the Swedish clip if you want, but all those clips (other than the ones being made and sold specifically for them) are far too small for the Swiss rifles. The clip will fit down into the receiver, but is so loose it would have to be held in position with one hand while the rounds are stripped into the magazine. Jim

September 24, 2014, 08:13 PM	#17
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,313	I do wish that a large quantity of K31 chargers at reasonable prices would show up here. I love how well they function. In lieu of that, it would be great to see a well made, properly dimentioned polymer version. __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

September 24, 2014, 08:24 PM	#18
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	James I imagine I could use hot glue or a mig welder to get it up to size. Either that or just flat it out a bit. It wouldn't be too awful hard to fabricated some clips with a press brake, might have to try that with mine sometime. Amd, you can search ebay or gun shows foe them. I got five loaded clips with my rifle. Best deal I think I've ever got on anything... __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 25, 2014, 07:22 AM	#19
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Around 12 years ago I brought in maybe 500 of those chargers. I sold them to SRDC members for $1 each. I'm truly astounded at the going price now. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 25, 2014, 07:31 AM	#20
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	I hear they're extremely cheap over in Switzerland, fairly common too. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 25, 2014, 07:39 AM	#21
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	I'll check with my man in Switzerland and see what I can find out. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 25, 2014, 08:17 AM	#22
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	He isn't selling is he? I'd like to buy about 5 more. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 25, 2014, 09:38 AM	#23
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	He can't ship out of Switzerland to private parties. Believe it or not.......... Those chargers are on the "articles of war" list and ineligible for export. I have a way around that through my second distributor in Europe, but with just a few, the shipping would kill you. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

September 25, 2014, 09:45 AM	#24
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Just out of curiosity, how much would shipping be? Haha. Also, you wouldn't know a good source for 480 rounds of GP11 would you? I'd like to have a good amount around when i get back to shooting the K-31. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

September 26, 2014, 11:51 PM	#25
vkeith Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2012 Posts: 108	CTD currently has the best price on GP11 at 48¢ per round. That's as about as good a price as I've seen in years. Back when I first bought my K31, I found some at a LGS for 40¢ a round, but that was a one time deal.