Harlem Shop Keeper Kills Two, Wounds Two

Van55 · August 17, 2009, 02:52 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32426383...rts/?GT1=43001

Interesting article. The guy used an unlicensed shotgun in New York City. Will he get the same treatment as Plaxico Burress?

flyguyskt · August 17, 2009, 03:03 PM

Thank who ever you pray to that the innocent people here all came out okay.
unlicensed shotgun! please read this as "we have to have something to pin on him"

good job "GUS"...bag em and taggem

THEZACHARIAS · August 17, 2009, 03:11 PM

Wow. And all without being injured himself. He and his employees are alive and all it cost him was a 20 year old shotgun.

Someone buy that man another shotgun!

Crosshair · August 17, 2009, 04:54 PM

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Someone buy that man another shotgun!

If he solicited donations he would probably be able to afford a dozen.

onthejon55 · August 18, 2009, 01:53 AM

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Someone buy that man another shotgun!

I dnt know about a shotgun but i would buy him a beer!

Dingoboyx · August 18, 2009, 03:27 AM

Believe it or not, I read about this shooting in our local newspaper (prolly the anti's wanted to prove how bad guns are)

Sorry, but my thoughts are, those mothers that now dont have sons, should have taught thier sons not to steal, then they would still have sons.

The shop keeper was not only defending himself & his business, but most importantly, his employees from iminent harm.... he should be nominated for "Boss of the year" in my opinion...... If I were a shotgun manufacturer or big gun shop chain owner, I would be giving him the pick of my shop, I reckon

(I would be hiding the REALLY expensive ones tho)

Good on him, I reckon......

Criminals.... LEARN.... stealing brings bad Ju-Ju

Get a real job

Jim March · August 18, 2009, 03:54 AM

At least one update says he DID do all the paperwork 20 years ago, and for a shotgun (as opposed to a handgun!) didn't need to re-do it. So he's completely legal.

Doesn't mean NYPD will give his shotgun BACK mind you...but he's not looking at the crossbar hotel.

Dingoboyx · August 18, 2009, 04:04 AM

^ great news^

Now give the guy back his gun!

LanceOregon · August 18, 2009, 08:05 AM

Amazingly, New York authorities released one the 4 robbers ( who was the least seriously wounded ) out of jail on $60,000 bail Sunday.

See these web pages for details:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c..._60g_bail.html

http://www.newsday.com/nyc-man-shot-...bond-1.1373902

Here is a photo of NY City Police Officer's seizing Augusto's Winchester shotgun for evidence:

Dingoboyx · August 20, 2009, 02:26 AM

Seems strange how the laws favor the bad guy ain't it??!

Same here in Oz... it depends entirely on how much lawyer you are packing

LanceOregon · August 20, 2009, 02:58 AM

The world is becoming so corrupt and immoral that it is unbelievable.

Later today the British will release one of the Lockerbie 747 bombers from prison, on "humanitarian" grounds.

259 Americans died on the plane, and another 11 Scots died on the ground in Lockerbie from the bomb he planted.

Cannot people tell the difference between good and evil anymore??

--

bds32 · August 20, 2009, 02:23 PM

A good reminder on what an outstanding self-defense tool the shotgun is. One good guy armed with a shotgun against four bad guys with handguns. Superior mindset coupled with superior firepower ruled the day.

Crosshair · August 20, 2009, 08:08 PM

I wonder what kind of ammo he had the gun loaded with? Birdshot? Buckshot?

BloodyBucket03 · August 20, 2009, 09:23 PM

Those scumbags got what they deserved! The other 2 low lifes that survived are lucky their not taking a dirt nap right now! Gus is a true American Patriot in my opinion. Give that man back his Shotgun!

isanchez2008 · August 20, 2009, 09:41 PM

Please keep the "they got what they deserved" comments down. I may agree with you but threads get closed that way. It's a good thing the innocents came out ok. Keep in mind that just because one man was able to pull off an incredible save with a shotgun that doesn't mean you will. Train, seek professional training and spend more money shooting than you do buying new toys. Unless your rich

Rich Keagy · August 23, 2009, 07:24 PM

I don't agree that one shotgun is superior to four handguns.
The lads clearly weren't expecting the gentleman's response. That worked to Gus' advantage.
So how come the two breathing boys were not charged with homicide? They would here in California.

Hallucinator · August 27, 2009, 08:18 AM

The article says they won't file charges. When they start pistol whipping your employees, it's time to get the shotgun. He did the right thing.

xjmox14x · August 27, 2009, 08:59 AM

Agreed. I was actually about 10 blocks from where it happened (construction management working at a jobsite). The one thing about NYC is that it has a lot of "grandfather laws". With the age and amount of history around here, it's very hard to "change" everything to bring it up to today's standards...with everything ranging from zoning laws and fire alarms to what you see here being gun laws. Anyway, good job lad, textbook example of why you keep a shotgun for 20 years and people say "you've had it for 20 years and you've never needed it once...". Well, one day he did, and he was ready.

Re4mer · August 28, 2009, 08:13 AM

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Police said Augusto didn't have a required permit for the weapon used in the headline-grabbing shooting the Daily News called a "Pump-Action Ending."

This statement puzzled me the most. Who ever heard of a shotgun permit? I think the laws of NY are responsible for a lot of good men being unable to legally defend themselves.

Silvanus · September 4, 2009, 05:11 PM

He handled that shotgun well for not having trained with it since he bought it 20 years ago

August 17, 2009, 02:52 PM	#1
Van55 Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2008 Posts: 392	Harlem Shop Keeper Kills Two, Wounds Two http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32426383...rts/?GT1=43001 Interesting article. The guy used an unlicensed shotgun in New York City. Will he get the same treatment as Plaxico Burress?

August 18, 2009, 03:27 AM	#6
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	Believe it or not, I read about this shooting in our local newspaper (prolly the anti's wanted to prove how bad guns are) Sorry, but my thoughts are, those mothers that now dont have sons, should have taught thier sons not to steal, then they would still have sons. The shop keeper was not only defending himself & his business, but most importantly, his employees from iminent harm.... he should be nominated for "Boss of the year" in my opinion...... If I were a shotgun manufacturer or big gun shop chain owner, I would be giving him the pick of my shop, I reckon (I would be hiding the REALLY expensive ones tho) Good on him, I reckon...... Criminals.... LEARN.... stealing brings bad Ju-Ju Get a real job __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

August 18, 2009, 03:54 AM	#7
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	At least one update says he DID do all the paperwork 20 years ago, and for a shotgun (as opposed to a handgun!) didn't need to re-do it. So he's completely legal. Doesn't mean NYPD will give his shotgun BACK mind you...but he's not looking at the crossbar hotel. __________________ Jim March

August 18, 2009, 04:04 AM	#8
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	^ great news^ Now give the guy back his gun! __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

August 20, 2009, 02:26 AM	#10
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	Seems strange how the laws favor the bad guy ain't it??! Same here in Oz... it depends entirely on how much lawyer you are packing __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

August 17, 2009, 03:03 PM	#2
flyguyskt Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2009 Posts: 118	Thank who ever you pray to that the innocent people here all came out okay. unlicensed shotgun! please read this as "we have to have something to pin on him" good job "GUS"...bag em and taggem

August 17, 2009, 03:11 PM	#3
THEZACHARIAS Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 537	Wow. And all without being injured himself. He and his employees are alive and all it cost him was a 20 year old shotgun. Someone buy that man another shotgun!

August 18, 2009, 08:05 AM	#9
LanceOregon Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,774	Amazingly, New York authorities released one the 4 robbers ( who was the least seriously wounded ) out of jail on $60,000 bail Sunday. See these web pages for details: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c..._60g_bail.html http://www.newsday.com/nyc-man-shot-...bond-1.1373902 Here is a photo of NY City Police Officer's seizing Augusto's Winchester shotgun for evidence:

August 20, 2009, 02:58 AM	#11
LanceOregon Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,774	The world is becoming so corrupt and immoral that it is unbelievable. Later today the British will release one of the Lockerbie 747 bombers from prison, on "humanitarian" grounds. 259 Americans died on the plane, and another 11 Scots died on the ground in Lockerbie from the bomb he planted. Cannot people tell the difference between good and evil anymore?? --

August 20, 2009, 02:23 PM	#12
bds32 Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 481	A good reminder on what an outstanding self-defense tool the shotgun is. One good guy armed with a shotgun against four bad guys with handguns. Superior mindset coupled with superior firepower ruled the day.

August 20, 2009, 08:08 PM	#13
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	I wonder what kind of ammo he had the gun loaded with? Birdshot? Buckshot? __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

August 20, 2009, 09:23 PM	#14
BloodyBucket03 Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2005 Location: Wake Forest, North Carolina Posts: 188	Those scumbags got what they deserved! The other 2 low lifes that survived are lucky their not taking a dirt nap right now! Gus is a true American Patriot in my opinion. Give that man back his Shotgun! __________________ "Better to fight for something than live for nothing."-General George S. Patton "He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and "if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buyone.'' Luke 22:36

August 20, 2009, 09:41 PM	#15
isanchez2008 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2008 Location: WA Posts: 344	Please keep the "they got what they deserved" comments down. I may agree with you but threads get closed that way. It's a good thing the innocents came out ok. Keep in mind that just because one man was able to pull off an incredible save with a shotgun that doesn't mean you will. Train, seek professional training and spend more money shooting than you do buying new toys. Unless your rich

August 23, 2009, 07:24 PM	#16
Rich Keagy Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: southern California Posts: 48	I don't agree that one shotgun is superior to four handguns. The lads clearly weren't expecting the gentleman's response. That worked to Gus' advantage. So how come the two breathing boys were not charged with homicide? They would here in California.

August 27, 2009, 08:18 AM	#17
Hallucinator Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Posts: 396	The article says they won't file charges. When they start pistol whipping your employees, it's time to get the shotgun. He did the right thing. __________________ Sig 226, 228, 229, 232. XD45 Tactical. Smith Model 60 Chief's Special. Smith 1911. Mossberg 930 SPX. How we behave as gun owners is important. Posturing and threatening does not serve us well in the public eye.

August 27, 2009, 08:59 AM	#18
xjmox14x Member Join Date: January 21, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 98	Agreed. I was actually about 10 blocks from where it happened (construction management working at a jobsite). The one thing about NYC is that it has a lot of "grandfather laws". With the age and amount of history around here, it's very hard to "change" everything to bring it up to today's standards...with everything ranging from zoning laws and fire alarms to what you see here being gun laws. Anyway, good job lad, textbook example of why you keep a shotgun for 20 years and people say "you've had it for 20 years and you've never needed it once...". Well, one day he did, and he was ready.

September 4, 2009, 05:11 PM	#20
Silvanus Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 1,324	He handled that shotgun well for not having trained with it since he bought it 20 years ago