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November 9, 2008, 05:55 PM | #26 | |
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November 9, 2008, 09:02 PM | #28 |
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This President, like any other, has a fixed amount of political capital to spend. There are many issues out there that will require expending that capital, among them:
raising the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour over two years universal healthcare ending the war in Iraq ending Afghanistan Stopping Iran from developing nukes, and failing that, stopping the war in the middle east that will follow- especially since the US will have a smaller presence there (that war will almost be guaranteed to go nuclear when Iran and Israel get into it) Russia's new military build up, and nuclear missile deployment into Europe (a move which violates current treaties) China's new military buildup India's military buildup Venezuela's military buildup (along with the fact that Russia is basing nuclear bombers there) Cuba's military buildup, and the imminent death of Cuba's and N Korea's leaders, and the turmoil that will cause, and last but certainly not least, the failing economy. That doesn't even take into account the miscellaneous unforeseen things that will crop up, nor does it address the $11 trillion US debt, the looming inflation crisis, or the other items on his agenda. All of this will require a lot of effort, and will leave little time and effort to fight the battle over a bunch of gun control laws, and the markers that will be given out to placate the RINOs needed to break the fillibuster. With all that said, I have been hedging my bets for over a year by buying guns, magazines, ammo, and spare parts.
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Might be wise to keep a functioning industry in place.
Another issue he has to face is the massive moving of production facilities to third world countries, screwing up our economy. |
November 9, 2008, 10:40 PM | #30 |
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The fly in the ointment is this: The Edward Kennedy Memorial <insert bill name> Act.
Does anyone here think that there would be any opposition to anything with that name on it after he croaks? Remember the things he tried to attach to the lawful commerce in firearms act? We discussed it at length in L&P and those discussions are still out there for research for those willing to do so. They will hoist anti-firearms legislation before he assumes room temperature and everyone will jump on it and give it the sympathy vote. Ted would've wanted it that way, ya know.
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
November 9, 2008, 11:36 PM | #31 |
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This President, like any other, has a fixed amount of political capital to spend.
As DiveMedic said, plus:
Raising income taxes so he can hand out "refunds" to those who haven't paid income taxes (about one-third of Americans who would receive the promised middle-class tax cut will receive their "tax cut" in the form of a refundable tax credit even though they have no income tax liability). Global warming Solving the Israeli-Paestinian conflict Repealing or re-negotiating NAFTA Immigration reform Giving employees "free choice" in deciding whether to have a union pursuant to the Orwellian-named Employee Free Choice Act that he sponsored as a Senator (which actually deprives workers of the right to vote for or against a union in a government-supervised election with secret balloting). Dealing with home foreclosures and this thing called the economy And so on. No, the President-elect has a full plate, and I say that gun control is not on the menu for this term. In a recent interview, Rahm Emmanuel, a former Clinton White House aide and now the Chief-of-Staff-designate, said that the Clinton administration got into trouble with gays in the military and other things that they didn't get elected to do. He made it clear that Mr. Obama's job is to get the things done that he was elected to get done. Mr. Obama did not run on a take-their-guns-away platform. Regardless of what his actual views are, he doesn't need this headache. In his second term, maybe. Mr. Emmanuel is focused and disciplined, with very sharp elbows, and he will crack the whip on the Dems in congress to keep them in line. My guess (and hope) is that he will see that "cracking down on guns" won't add to his president's re-election prospects and will only galvanize the opposition. I have great confidence that Mr. Emmanuel will browbeat, intimidate, and neuter anyone who interferes with Mr. Obama's re-election. |
November 10, 2008, 01:12 AM | #32 | |
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By the way, there's always this. Obama may not want to wait for the Congress to act.
The PEO was supposed to be used for Executive Branch issues only but we have seen the PEO used for much more in recent years. As Paul Begala once stated "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool." http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11...orders-review/ As one person in the article states: "Executive orders have the power of law and they can cover just about anything," Tobias said in a telephone interview." Quote:
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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November 10, 2008, 10:25 AM | #33 |
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Obama will not be behind a direct 2A attack, at least not in this term. He might sign on to one but he is not going to waste his limited capital on pushing for it when his list of "Societal Change" issues will most likely consume it all.
As I said, look out for regulation through Environmental issues (lead ammo taxes/bans) which if you oppose it's because you "hate the Earth" and especially be wary of who he sends to the UN the next time they come around looking to ban private arms...
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November 10, 2008, 03:41 PM | #34 |
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I just hope that gun control is extremely low on the lefts agenda at this time in American history.If it isn't, I fear for the future of the nation.
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November 10, 2008, 05:10 PM | #35 |
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Why - the existential future of the USA? If Obama tried to pass very strict controls, he would probably lose the majorities in the House and Senate in 2010.
Then the laws would be undone - happened before. If you want to pose an existential crisis, you need to lay it out. If you think that gun laws will lead to some revolution in this time of economic crisis - to be blunt you are flat out mistaken despite internet rhetoric. With the economy in the toilet, there will be NO support for further disrupting our future over, for example, a new AWB renewal. I'm a little frustrated by the constant TEOTWAWKI predictions. The USA didn't end with the Brady Bill, etc. We soldiered on. Here's what I said before: 1. The loss of McCain is based on Bush's incompetency and the economy tanking. 2. The majority that voted for Obama just didn't care about guns given #1. 3. Basing support for the RKBA on a crappy president as the only issue, first freedom - obviously is a failed strategy - only good for internet venting. 4. Realize this and adopt strategies to convince antigun folks like Obama that it is their interest to leave the issue alone or even to appreciate the RKBA. 5. If you don't want to expand support of the RKBA out of the social conservatives for some tribal identity hang-up, again you adopt a failed strategy. So the world and the USA is not ending. PS - it is ending. I just read that Starbucks profits dropped 97%. If Starbucks fails, who is going to care that EBRs are too expensive.
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This article shows that gun control is not even in the top agendas of most of the voters. Here are selected sentences from the article:
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Obama is perhaps smart enough not to want to get into a 'knock 'em down drag 'em out' over an issue as devisive as gun control to start off his administration but he appears to be surrounding himself with old time liberal Democrats who may be more inclined to have him push the issue.
The 'Chicago crowd' - from whence he came -certainly is on record as being very anti gun and he 'owes them big time'; in addition the old time liberal Democrats like Kennedy, Shumer, et. al would gladly join them in pushing an anti gun agenda. I certainly respect the opinion of those who have posted their opinions that gun control is going to be far down the list of issues to be worked on by our new president. Even more, I hope they're 100% correct. |
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Nice thought....
I do wonder how many of the illegal street dealers do get prosecuted on Federal charges (engaging in the business without a license)? I think they ususally only face state charges (often felon in posession?) most of the time.
Or, more likely, if they do wind up facing Fed charges, some kind of plea bargin is made. I am publically apologizing for statements I made in this post, which I have removed. A vigilant member was kind enough to inform me that they could be considered as skirting the line with regards to our L&CR rules and mission statement, something I had not even realized. My thanks for that, and my apologies to all for my failure to recognize in my own post the sort of things I am supposed to be looking for in others.
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I can hardly remember any prosecutions of illegal "street dealers." Sad really. The antis who profess to be against violence make laws mainly against peaceful, legal buyers and don't go after the criminals and their violent friends...
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November 13, 2008, 12:55 AM | #42 |
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The whole thing with "illegal street dealers selling guns out of the trunk of their car" was a put up sham. It was an oft repeated lament of the anti-firearms agendists to garner support from those too stupid, or too lazy, to do any research on the subject beyond the nightly news.
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Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey |
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