Mosin Speculation .

warningshot · March 13, 2013, 04:21 PM

So what gets cut-off first? The importation of Mosin Nagant Rifle itself or the russkie spamcan 7.62x54R ammunition? Shame on me for asking.

Cheapshooter · March 13, 2013, 05:20 PM

Neither, or all. Dependant on how well the outing of Holder's comment about "dangerious weapons" and "just because of their age" gets reported to the shooting public. Not at all of course by any alphabet broadcast media.

ssbo · March 19, 2013, 05:52 PM

I dunno I think anything not black an scary are pretty safe, I mean c'mon even the most ardent anti gun guy can't say that an a bolt action, 5 rounder antique fits into any ban they can think of shoe horning in. As for the ammo, be lucky that the buy up craze hasn't touched the 7.62X54r much. I swear it's like there's more of those bullets stateside than anywhere else

North East Redneck · March 19, 2013, 07:21 PM

There was some talk about banning ammo importation a couple months back, I don't think it has any traction. And the new AWB has little chance of passing.
Buy the ammo you can afford, and a few more Mosins are a nice addition to your collection.
Being a five round bolt action, I don't see any issues with it. The M1 or an SKS, maybe. If the 7 round law sticks in NY, those two could be caught up in a ban. But the Mosin, I don't think so.

fenderguitar007 · March 20, 2013, 03:48 PM

There does seem to be less of the 7.62 x 54r these days and a little more expensive as well. I talked to one of the ammo guys at a local gun show a few weeks ago about it. He said that it is getting harded to get 7.62 by 54r. When he asked the distributor why, they said it was because more and more of it is being shipped to Syria.

tahunua001 · March 20, 2013, 04:07 PM

guess what, guys...
all portions of the gun reform bill dealing with AWB have been stricken from the docket and they are now working on sales only...

your mosins are safe now, the end

CowTowner · March 21, 2013, 06:52 AM

I wouldn't say safe just yet. The forces of gun control are still working 24/7 to take your guns. No matter the origin.
Be always vigilant.

Ignition Override · March 24, 2013, 01:11 AM

CowTowner:
Having been into shooting- other than seldom plinking- only since late '07 (age 52), I wasn't aware of Janet Reno's comments in the 90s.

I don't know the place or exact time, but she said that the goal was to take all of them away from citizens.
Somebody on THR, 'Social', General Topics has her exact quote.

Railcar · April 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

Molot is making brand new Mosins their KO 91-30 with full chrome lined barrels, and the soviets are making 7.62x54r for their current issue weapons, so I think both will be around alot longer than any of us think. Prices will go up in time (after all I have seen ads where mausers and Mosins were $16 each) but I doubt I will see it fall in my lifetime, and I am only 33

Cheapshooter · April 11, 2013, 01:38 PM

Quote:

your mosins are safe now, the end __________________

You forgot one word in your post.
your Mosins are safe for now!
As long as there are Feinstein's, and Schumers, Brady campaigns, and others no guns are completely safe.

LED · April 12, 2013, 08:34 AM

I don't see why the Mosins should become blacklisted. Bolt action, no detached mag, less than 10, no foregrip or pistol grip, manual safety, C&R. More like a bone that the nannies would throw us. Unless they ban imports.

The 7.62x54 ammo is current military issue. Not going anywhere save for an import ban.

2ndsojourn · April 13, 2013, 05:48 PM

But they have that deadly bayonet lug.

Cheapshooter · April 14, 2013, 08:22 PM

Quote:

I don't see why the Mosins should become blacklisted. Bolt action, no detached mag, less than 10, no foregrip or pistol grip, manual safety, C&R. More like a bone that the nannies would throw us. Unless they ban imports.

The 7.62x54 ammo is current military issue. Not going anywhere save for an import ban.

" and eliminate misguided restrictions that require federal agents to allow the importation of dangerous weapons simply because of their age."

Eric Holder March 6, 2013
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/sp...h-1303061.html

With some of the recent events in the gun control debate they might be backing off for now, but this tells you exactly what they have in mine.

LED · April 14, 2013, 11:02 PM

Has anyone noticed these initiatives tend to pop up during relative peacetime? When the nation is in peril, nobody pays attention. They see opportunities when people get complacent.

Railcar · April 15, 2013, 07:42 PM

with the new pro mag stock, semi pistol grip, detachable 10 round box mag, I see that raisng some hairs.

LED · April 16, 2013, 10:45 PM

On a topic drift, if I may, does anyone know a good way of opening that spam can without a hacksaw or hammering? I have been shown a live round with an off-center "lucky" dent. Know of anyone having fired the Russian ammo while beating on the box?

Railcar · April 16, 2013, 11:01 PM

i used a set of pneumatic shears and had the can opened cleanly in about 1 minute.

Ignition Override · April 17, 2013, 03:09 AM

LED: Being from the Ukraine etc or Russia, they are much safer than Enfields from South Africa, Greece etc.

About two years ago a guy walked into a S. African gun shop and was shocked.
Staff were destroying Enfield rifles-all of which are obsolete-and it's possible that the ammo is being destroyed.
The movie "Blood Diamonds" made some organizations think that warlords wanted obsolete weapons, or gave them a better excuse to pay for their destruction.

UN money (and many US dollars) pays a number of countries to destroy not only stocks of full-auto AKs, but any other older milsurp rifles and often the ammo is burned.

Somewhere on the net I stumbled onto the website of a Brit/Euro 'arms control' group who influences much of this waste and stupidity.
Solche Zerstorung ist nicht nur Verschwendung, sondern Dummheit, in case any central Europeans read this.

kilimanjaro · April 17, 2013, 11:22 AM

If the UN Small Arms Treaty is ratified, you can expect both gun and ammo imports to be affected.

LED · April 17, 2013, 11:44 AM

Rail car
What is pneumatic shears?

Railcar · April 19, 2013, 09:22 PM

Pneumatic (air powered) cutters for light gauge metal. they are sometimes called air nibblers, put a hole in the metal big enough for the foot, and you can zip around the entire can in no time.

http://www.factoryauthorizedoutlet.c...in-air-nibbler

jersurf101 · April 20, 2013, 05:58 PM

I work in a professional kitchen and a industrial can opener makes short work of spam cans.

MEATSAW · April 20, 2013, 07:12 PM

I got lucky with the first spam can I bought as it came with the can opener. I've kept it ever since.

LED · April 21, 2013, 05:37 PM

Railcar -thank you.
I don't open that kind of spam often enough to invest in pneumatic shears.
Jersurf - can you describe the industrial opener?

March 13, 2013, 04:21 PM	#1
warningshot Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2009 Posts: 995	Mosin Speculation . So what gets cut-off first? The importation of Mosin Nagant Rifle itself or the russkie spamcan 7.62x54R ammunition? Shame on me for asking.

March 13, 2013, 05:20 PM	#2
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Neither, or all. Dependant on how well the outing of Holder's comment about "dangerious weapons" and "just because of their age" gets reported to the shooting public. Not at all of course by any alphabet broadcast media. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

March 19, 2013, 07:21 PM	#4
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	There was some talk about banning ammo importation a couple months back, I don't think it has any traction. And the new AWB has little chance of passing. Buy the ammo you can afford, and a few more Mosins are a nice addition to your collection. Being a five round bolt action, I don't see any issues with it. The M1 or an SKS, maybe. If the 7 round law sticks in NY, those two could be caught up in a ban. But the Mosin, I don't think so. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

March 20, 2013, 04:07 PM	#6
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	guess what, guys... all portions of the gun reform bill dealing with AWB have been stricken from the docket and they are now working on sales only... your mosins are safe now, the end __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

March 21, 2013, 06:52 AM	#7
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	I wouldn't say safe just yet. The forces of gun control are still working 24/7 to take your guns. No matter the origin. Be always vigilant. __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

March 19, 2013, 05:52 PM	#3
ssbo Member Join Date: June 17, 2009 Posts: 26	I dunno I think anything not black an scary are pretty safe, I mean c'mon even the most ardent anti gun guy can't say that an a bolt action, 5 rounder antique fits into any ban they can think of shoe horning in. As for the ammo, be lucky that the buy up craze hasn't touched the 7.62X54r much. I swear it's like there's more of those bullets stateside than anywhere else

March 20, 2013, 03:48 PM	#5
fenderguitar007 Member Join Date: March 14, 2013 Posts: 15	There does seem to be less of the 7.62 x 54r these days and a little more expensive as well. I talked to one of the ammo guys at a local gun show a few weeks ago about it. He said that it is getting harded to get 7.62 by 54r. When he asked the distributor why, they said it was because more and more of it is being shipped to Syria.

March 24, 2013, 01:11 AM	#8
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,884	CowTowner: Having been into shooting- other than seldom plinking- only since late '07 (age 52), I wasn't aware of Janet Reno's comments in the 90s. I don't know the place or exact time, but she said that the goal was to take all of them away from citizens. Somebody on THR, 'Social', General Topics has her exact quote.

April 10, 2013, 04:55 PM	#9
Railcar Junior Member Join Date: April 9, 2013 Posts: 13	Molot is making brand new Mosins their KO 91-30 with full chrome lined barrels, and the soviets are making 7.62x54r for their current issue weapons, so I think both will be around alot longer than any of us think. Prices will go up in time (after all I have seen ads where mausers and Mosins were $16 each) but I doubt I will see it fall in my lifetime, and I am only 33

April 12, 2013, 08:34 AM	#11
LED Junior member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: The Heartland Posts: 174	I don't see why the Mosins should become blacklisted. Bolt action, no detached mag, less than 10, no foregrip or pistol grip, manual safety, C&R. More like a bone that the nannies would throw us. Unless they ban imports. The 7.62x54 ammo is current military issue. Not going anywhere save for an import ban. Last edited by LED; April 12, 2013 at 07:14 PM.

April 13, 2013, 05:48 PM	#12
2ndsojourn Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,416	But they have that deadly bayonet lug.

April 14, 2013, 11:02 PM	#14
LED Junior member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: The Heartland Posts: 174	Has anyone noticed these initiatives tend to pop up during relative peacetime? When the nation is in peril, nobody pays attention. They see opportunities when people get complacent.

April 15, 2013, 07:42 PM	#15
Railcar Junior Member Join Date: April 9, 2013 Posts: 13	with the new pro mag stock, semi pistol grip, detachable 10 round box mag, I see that raisng some hairs.

April 16, 2013, 10:45 PM	#16
LED Junior member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: The Heartland Posts: 174	On a topic drift, if I may, does anyone know a good way of opening that spam can without a hacksaw or hammering? I have been shown a live round with an off-center "lucky" dent. Know of anyone having fired the Russian ammo while beating on the box?

April 16, 2013, 11:01 PM	#17
Railcar Junior Member Join Date: April 9, 2013 Posts: 13	i used a set of pneumatic shears and had the can opened cleanly in about 1 minute.

April 17, 2013, 03:09 AM	#18
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,884	LED: Being from the Ukraine etc or Russia, they are much safer than Enfields from South Africa, Greece etc. About two years ago a guy walked into a S. African gun shop and was shocked. Staff were destroying Enfield rifles-all of which are obsolete-and it's possible that the ammo is being destroyed. The movie "Blood Diamonds" made some organizations think that warlords wanted obsolete weapons, or gave them a better excuse to pay for their destruction. UN money (and many US dollars) pays a number of countries to destroy not only stocks of full-auto AKs, but any other older milsurp rifles and often the ammo is burned. Somewhere on the net I stumbled onto the website of a Brit/Euro 'arms control' group who influences much of this waste and stupidity. Solche Zerstorung ist nicht nur Verschwendung, sondern Dummheit, in case any central Europeans read this. Last edited by Ignition Override; April 17, 2013 at 03:18 AM.

April 17, 2013, 11:22 AM	#19
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	If the UN Small Arms Treaty is ratified, you can expect both gun and ammo imports to be affected.

April 17, 2013, 11:44 AM	#20
LED Junior member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: The Heartland Posts: 174	Rail car What is pneumatic shears?

April 19, 2013, 09:22 PM	#21
Railcar Junior Member Join Date: April 9, 2013 Posts: 13	Pneumatic (air powered) cutters for light gauge metal. they are sometimes called air nibblers, put a hole in the metal big enough for the foot, and you can zip around the entire can in no time. http://www.factoryauthorizedoutlet.c...in-air-nibbler

April 20, 2013, 05:58 PM	#22
jersurf101 Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2013 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 553	I work in a professional kitchen and a industrial can opener makes short work of spam cans.

April 20, 2013, 07:12 PM	#23
MEATSAW Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2009 Location: Burnet, TX Posts: 727	I got lucky with the first spam can I bought as it came with the can opener. I've kept it ever since. __________________ Veteran OEF (2002) and OIF1 (2003) - US Army Member of the Burnet Gun Fighters, Inc. and of course the NRA Oregon State University alum -- Go Beavs!

April 21, 2013, 05:37 PM	#24
LED Junior member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: The Heartland Posts: 174	Railcar -thank you. I don't open that kind of spam often enough to invest in pneumatic shears. Jersurf - can you describe the industrial opener?

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