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January 2, 2013, 09:50 AM | #26 |
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Yes I searched for hours for a hog that I found the next morning 20yds from where I shot it.
If they have enough consciousness to hide before they die, that's a whole other issue. A pig can hide in grass or brush flat on the belly snout stretched out. If you're lucky you'll hear the death moans. No, I'll put my bullet in the neck. Why would anyone pass on a guaranteed incapacitation. Pigs move randomly enough that they'll present the shot.
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January 2, 2013, 02:47 PM | #28 | |
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My three favorite hog hunting stands have mostly unobstructed vision for at least 100 yards in front and to the sides. From one of those stands i've killed 8 hogs that went over 300 pounds. Four went over 350 pounds. IME: The bigger the lung shot hog the longer he is likely to run. After they hit the ground they usually kick for 30-45 seconds before expiring. This is Osama bin Laden: Osama went about 120 yards after being double lunged with a .50 muzzleloader. i watched him all the way. He kicked a long time after falling. http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Osama-1-1.jpg Last edited by thallub; January 2, 2013 at 05:27 PM. |
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January 2, 2013, 08:24 PM | #29 |
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.30-30 in the head works fine. It will smash the thickest boneand usually send it flying into the brain even if the bullet does not hit the brain. Hogs are not monsters. We shot domestics for many years with a .22lr. Then we started hitting them in the head with a hammer with a spike on it. They are really not all that tough.
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January 2, 2013, 08:36 PM | #30 |
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My problem with head shot hogs is the fact they often don't bleed out. Thats OK if you get to the hog right away, cut its throat and allow it to bleed out. It it takes awhile to find the hog, thats another matter.
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January 2, 2013, 09:02 PM | #31 |
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I have a dog, so I find everything I shoot quickly. I have him trained to track blood, so if it bleeds a drop every 20 feet he runs straight to it. Having a tracking dog will spoil you. Its nice to just turn the dog loose and wait for him to open up barking and walk right to him.
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January 2, 2013, 11:00 PM | #32 | |
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Started taking our Poodle along on tracking jobs and she is picking it up fast. |
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January 3, 2013, 07:28 AM | #33 |
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With regards to the heart/lung shot I'll share the following with respect to hogs:
My neighbor and I shot this trio of hogs a couple of years back, all heart lung shots and 2 were DRT(the top and bottom hogs). The center hog gave us a bit of a problem: Reference the center hog, my neighbor and I were dragging the top hog out of the woods when the center hog came trotting past at less than 20 yards. My neighbor shot him (a little far back) with a 243 and he never flinched and I immediatley blasted him with my 45/70 again he didn't flinch. At my shot, he kicked it into high gear and ran out of sight. We searched for a couple of hours and there was no sign of him, not a single drop of blood, nothing. We figured we missed (but down deep we knew that was unlikely). Well, on the drive off the property we found him about a half mile or so from where we shot him (lying in the center of the dirt road) and this is what we found: We had both hit him and the bullet holes were less than 3 inches apart Front wound is the 45/70 (300 grain JHP @ 1900 FPS) and rear 243 (80 grain Barnes TTSX @ 3100FPS): There was massive damage to the lungs and trauma to the heart but he still ran a half mile or so before he piled up and died. Entrance wounds from the inside: Exit wounds from the inside: As far as we could tell he didn't leak a drop of blood on his death run and the "outside" view of the exit wounds were unremarkable and it looked as if the skin had "sealed up" over the wounds. Based on this particular instance I have transitioned to Head/Neck/Ear shots (for hogs only) and have never had another hog take a step after being shot. |
January 3, 2013, 09:00 AM | #34 |
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Very interesting autopsy, thanks.
I have seen the sealed bullet hole also.
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January 3, 2013, 11:34 AM | #36 |
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So 100 yards is a good rule of thumb unless it isn't and the hog runs a half mile. Wow!
You know, I think if you shoot through the shield areas that "closing up" as you mentioned really does occur, sort of like self sealing fuel tanks. It isn't always perfect, but does seem to happen. See post 18 here http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ght=mulefooted
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January 3, 2013, 01:09 PM | #37 | |
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January 3, 2013, 03:51 PM | #38 |
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At my place a hog that runs more than 25 yards is going to be hard to find without tracking dogs. One that runs 100 yards will never be found without a dog until next day... look out for buzzards.
We shoot hogs all year long at my place and we shoot about 50 hogs a year. I personally witness the shooting on about 40 of those hogs and most are head shot and most of those will drop on the spot. It doesn't always kill the hog on the spot but they always drop immediately. Few are neck shots (usually in the upper neck close to head) and those shot usually have same effect. Very few that are shot in the heart/lung area will usually run a good distance. It's not unusual for a hog to run 100+ yards after having it's lungs and heart shot and I've seen few that ran several hundred yards. One hog did drop on the spot with heart shot but the was with 300WM at close range and the heart and lung exploded inside the hog. Even with handguns a well placed head shot will drop a hog on the spot. |
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You can't just arbitrarily say that you need to hit in X location without taking into account actual trajectory through the body. The goal isn't to hit a spot outside of the hog, but inside of the hog. Given that hogs are not always perfectly broadside to make a heart shot, one must correct the aiming point accordingly. So ATCDocktor's and his buddy's shots look too far back, but not when you look at the exit wounds. That the exits were further foward indicates the animal was quartered away and apparently quite a bit given how far back the entrances were and the heart was still hit.
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January 3, 2013, 08:49 PM | #40 |
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This sow appears to be hit way too far back. She was quartering away at a good angle at about 50 yards distance. The sow was shot with a Hornady 240 grain .430 XTP handgun bullet leaving the muzzle of my .50 CVA muzzleloader at 1,850 fps. The liver was torn up, the diaphragm shredded and one lung was turned to jello. The bullet missed the heart and did not exit.
i will never forget that hog. At the shot she went about four feet straight up in the air, came down with her nose pointed down. She left the ground two or three more times and lay then still. All i could think of was the description Carlos Hathcock gave of the Cobra sniper he shot in the eye through the snipers rifle scope. http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...3July07-02.jpg |
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Adjustment made for a front quartering shot but I will wait if I can before shooting, rear quartering shot I just won't do.
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January 4, 2013, 06:18 PM | #42 |
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Putting something heavy through the leg and heart does seen to make a lot of sense. I'm still going for the neck but that method seems sound too
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January 4, 2013, 10:57 PM | #43 |
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The front shoulders are good eating. The neck is good sausage. The head is good for nothing.
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January 4, 2013, 11:08 PM | #44 |
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What reynolds357 said!
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