Good day at the range with the '58s..........

okiefarmer · May 27, 2009, 06:14 PM

Have gone out a few times in past week with the Remis in 36 and 44, mostly just shooting the steel discs from 100' away. I can't hear jack chit, but the other guy said he could.

I got out some paper targets today, set at 50'. I am ready for a home invasion. I hit minute of silver dollar with the iron sighted pieces. Out all 6 from the 44 inside the center circle. The 36 was high and right on 4 shots, right on one and straight up high on the last. But, only 3 inches.

I was pleasantly surprised with this and it was roundball, not conical.

My only issue is seating the 36 RB. The seating plunger has a ledge that stops it in the cylinder before ball is seated firmly. 44 allows full pressure seat on powder. I can tell this at firing, it is a very small delay, like flintlock delay. I was loading a tad south of 20 grains Pyrodex. Report was very light, so perhaps I could load up up a little, but accuracy at 18-19 was awful good.

Just an FYI.

Hawg · May 27, 2009, 06:54 PM

I use 25 grs. in my .36 Remington and 35 in my .44 Remington.

okiefarmer · May 27, 2009, 09:13 PM

I am not the 'spert on black powder so mostly go by what's in that little booklet. I did shoot GOEX fff the other day, but I have several bottles of Pyrodex and wanted to shoot it up. Holy cow, was twice the job of cleaning up, oxidized in just a few hours. And had more stiff cylinders while shooting with Pyrodex. When it's gone, it's gone.

I did notice loading recommendations were a bit heavier with black powder (and isn't GOEX real black powder, or at least a heck of a lot closer than Pyrodex). Standard loadings in book for black powder were 22 (in .36) and 35 (in .44). I was using 17 grains Pyro in the .36 and 28 frains Pyro in the .44

I'll try it again in a day or so. The boss has plans for me tomorrow. Something around the yard she says.

Hawg · May 27, 2009, 10:21 PM

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I have several bottles of Pyrodex and wanted to shoot it up. Holy cow, was twice the job of cleaning up, oxidized in just a few hours. And had more stiff cylinders while shooting with Pyrodex.

I shoot Pyro exclusively and cleanup is no problem but maybe it's been so long since I had real black I don't remember how easy it really is. I can also go for days without cleaning.

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I am not the 'spert on black powder so mostly go by what's in that little booklet.

The little booklet is lawyerized. Shoot what works for you just remember you cannot overload a steel framed revolver or IMHO a brass framed .36. You can overload a brass framed .44. It won't blow up or anything drastic but over time will ruin it.
The loading lever on my .44 Remington bottoms out with .35 grs. of Pyro. I don't believe it will seat a ball firmly on top of 30 grs. without using a filler. I don't remember my last one doing that so maybe they shortened the rams or I just got a funny one.

Smokin_Gun · May 28, 2009, 02:30 AM

I got a .36 Rem someone did that to...probly found a sweetspot and kept it there or was usin' Conical boolits and needed the room on mine. (Euroarms) Hawes of L.A.

CaptainCrossman · May 29, 2009, 11:42 AM

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My only issue is seating the 36 RB. The seating plunger has a ledge that stops it in the cylinder before ball is seated firmly. 44 allows full pressure seat on powder. I can tell this at firing, it is a very small delay, like flintlock delay. I was loading a tad south of 20 grains Pyrodex. Report was very light, so perhaps I could load up up a little, but accuracy at 18-19 was awful good.

good show on the accuracy, IMHO the 1858 steel frame guns, are still the best bang for the buck, in cap/ball. Relatively large chamber powder capacity, strong frame- good price.

that's the issue with loading down below to 18 grains- the powder doesnt' get compressed- either load up until it will seat on the powder, or use wads/filler to fill in the space, are your only other options

you may also want to look at the bottom of your Rem frame, I had to clearance the last one with a file and dremel in that area, so the rammer handle would go all the way back, and push the plunger fully into the cylinder chambers- it was hanging up in the frame

yes, below 20 grains it starts sounding like shooting a cap gun- accurate, yes- powerful, no.

May 27, 2009, 06:14 PM	#1
okiefarmer Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 381	Good day at the range with the '58s.......... Have gone out a few times in past week with the Remis in 36 and 44, mostly just shooting the steel discs from 100' away. I can't hear jack chit, but the other guy said he could. I got out some paper targets today, set at 50'. I am ready for a home invasion. I hit minute of silver dollar with the iron sighted pieces. Out all 6 from the 44 inside the center circle. The 36 was high and right on 4 shots, right on one and straight up high on the last. But, only 3 inches. I was pleasantly surprised with this and it was roundball, not conical. My only issue is seating the 36 RB. The seating plunger has a ledge that stops it in the cylinder before ball is seated firmly. 44 allows full pressure seat on powder. I can tell this at firing, it is a very small delay, like flintlock delay. I was loading a tad south of 20 grains Pyrodex. Report was very light, so perhaps I could load up up a little, but accuracy at 18-19 was awful good. Just an FYI.

May 28, 2009, 02:30 AM	#5
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	I got a .36 Rem someone did that to...probly found a sweetspot and kept it there or was usin' Conical boolits and needed the room on mine. (Euroarms) Hawes of L.A. __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

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May 27, 2009, 06:54 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I use 25 grs. in my .36 Remington and 35 in my .44 Remington.

May 27, 2009, 09:13 PM	#3
okiefarmer Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 381	I am not the 'spert on black powder so mostly go by what's in that little booklet. I did shoot GOEX fff the other day, but I have several bottles of Pyrodex and wanted to shoot it up. Holy cow, was twice the job of cleaning up, oxidized in just a few hours. And had more stiff cylinders while shooting with Pyrodex. When it's gone, it's gone. I did notice loading recommendations were a bit heavier with black powder (and isn't GOEX real black powder, or at least a heck of a lot closer than Pyrodex). Standard loadings in book for black powder were 22 (in .36) and 35 (in .44). I was using 17 grains Pyro in the .36 and 28 frains Pyro in the .44 I'll try it again in a day or so. The boss has plans for me tomorrow. Something around the yard she says.