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November 14, 2011, 04:24 PM | #1 |
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We lost one to AD/ND
We just lost one of our own to a AD/ND. Forgive me for the title, but I wanted TFL Members to see this article. Also, some might say: "I would never do that." The fact of the matter remains that accidents happen, and a middle-aged man just died while leaving his children without a father and his wife as a widow.
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-father...ory?hpt=us_bn5 Hopefully this article can lead to some discussion, so this tragedy isn't repeated. I am sure the man was in shock at what happened before his passing. I am not sure if it was the holster or not, but it does seem the man carried one in the chamber. The man was legal to carry in his vehicle even if he wasn't CCW, but I am guessing he was a CCW holder.
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Took one look at the idiots posting responses to the article and closed the page in disgust.
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November 14, 2011, 04:34 PM | #3 |
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Thanx Dino. That is truly upsetting! I hadn't read the comments yet, but just checked them out. I notice on yahoo news stories it always seems to be some puffy cellar commando in his parent's cellar who seems to know everything Not always, but that comment you quoted was extremely distasteful. I am sorry this man lost his life from a 'mistake'. I think it is safe to call it that.
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November 14, 2011, 04:39 PM | #4 |
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The Sheriff is correct...always use a holster that guards that trigger! Especially with a Glock....Oh, what a deal. I pray his wife and kids can handle this ok.
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I remember pics from a thread (think it was here, not sure) where some dude perforated his leg from a pistol that had started to slide out of its holster. Yes, again, it was a Glock (not Glock bashing, but this will be relevant in a minute). But it was holstered, just in a cheap one.
A couple things I think we need to keep in mind: 1) Quality holsters. They're worth it. Carrying a gun loose can be asking for trouble, and cheap holsters aren't much better. Get a holster that will hold the gun securely, preventing movement, and also won't bunch or fold (stiff leather is your friend if you don't like plastic). The gun should not shift out of place unless you are pulling on it. 1a) Know how your holster works and practice with it. Unloaded. There's also incidents of this happening with Blackhawk SERPA holsters... pushing the retention button releases the gun (it does hold it securely), but the trigger finger is still pushing when the gun clears the holster, and it gets inside the trigger guard and BLAM. While the gun is still pointed at your leg, even. Which brings us to... 2) Know your gun, know how it operates, and understand what the lack of an external safety means. If that trigger is pulled on a Glock/S&W M&P/XD type of action, that thing is going to fire. Sure, it can also happen on a DA revolver, but we aren't usually seeing this happen with those due to the length and weight of the trigger pull. We see this happen with the semiautos with lighter pulls and no thumb safety. I'm not saying these designs are unsafe, I'm saying we need to recognize the implications of that trigger actuated safety. That is, pulling the trigger will mean BANG. If it's partially unholstered when you get BANG, you also get OUCH. In extreme cases, you get the article. Which brings us back to having a good holster that won't let it go. My condolences to the man's family, but this happened because he either used no holster or he used a low quality one. A $60-80 holster for that $500 gun, and it was just another trip to get milk. |
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Yeah, I am always shocked at all the people who insist on "pocket carry" for their sidearms. As if holsters were just some wacky idea that serve no purpose that they can imagine. I'm very sorry to hear this. Better training probably could have saved him.
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Some however make some good points correcting said moron. I don't always use a holster, but when I do not, I carry an uncocked single action. Gotta say, i don't think i would try to pocket carry a Glock. Very unfortunate for both this man and his family, but accidents happen, even with the most careful of us. That's why they call them accidents. Edit: I have seen people pocket carry their larger pistols, however, those that do usually will "repurpose" an IWB to do this
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This reminds me of a guy in the Phoenix area who shot himself in the penis with his girlfriend's pink TCP a couple months ago. Lucky for that guy he lived. I guess depending on how you see it. Not sure if I would want to live through shooting myself in the penis.
Anyway he too was either pocket carrying with no holster or took a page out of Plaxico's training book and carried it Mexican (can't remember which one right now). Bottom line guys use a holster. They aren't just for looks. I generally pocket carry my TCP, but I use a holster. My prayers go out to his widowed wife and fatherless children. Tough times right now, don't need it made worse by losing your spouse/parent. |
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im not an expert or trained and this is why i carry a DA pistol, i have carried my glock in the past but i just have an uneasy feeling about carrying with one in the tube. i think that for the average gun enthusiast they have no business carrying a glock or single action weapon, under stress the last thing i want is a 4# SA.
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A lot of things wrong...
Even if you're going to pocket carry you should have a holster. But if the weapon had a grip safety like the XD, it wouldn't have discharged. I like my 17L and G34, but I don't think I'd carry them. I'll stick with my HK P7M8... |
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I tried everything possible (unloaded of course) and can't find a way to get it to accidently go off. But its not a glock.
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Glocks, or any of them for that matter, really are not the issue here, its how they are handled, or in this case, mishandled. Pick your favorite gun, and put the right, unfortunate chain of events into motion, and Ill bet you can get pretty much anything to go off without to much trouble. |
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Also, until we get more info, it seems to be specualtion as to the holster, pocket, AD/ND details.
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Pocket carry or not, or with/without holster, its sad to hear that he did not practice safe firearm handling.
There's nothing wrong with pocket carry even without a holster as long as you use common sense. I've pocket carried more than one slim single-stack pistol without any issues. its how you handle it that matters. I hope the victim's family will be ok.. |
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I'm a firm believer in carrying my 1911's cocked and locked in a quality holster. However, I carry my Glock 26 in a quality holster with an empty chamber. Worse case scenario, use it as a club. At least no chance of shooting myself. A good argument can be made either way.
My heart goes out to him and his loved ones.
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To each their own. I stated that do not think it is a good idea to pocket carry a Glock I did not expect everyone to agree with me. The issue with pocket carry is that there are a lot of movements near and in pockets that do not occur near a belt holster. I have never reached into my holster to get my keys or cell phone.
If I pocket carry I do so in a pocket holster with guns with heavy DA triggers. A heavy DA trigger like the one on a S&W 642 more than likely would have prevent this death. Again IMHO.
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I have nothing but the pocket gun in the pocket when I carry that way. I used to live in Fredericksburg at know that shopping center well. The other part of the article I did not understand is why it appears he waited to call 911 after shooting himself. I certainly would not have waited until my wife returned to the car to call for help if I had just shot myself.
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