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April 14, 2013, 07:00 AM | #101 | |
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They can not make 30 round magazines, can they? Every one in the plant is breaking the new law! They have to move. |
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April 14, 2013, 10:05 AM | #103 | |
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If Magpul moving out of CO is a good and noble thing then how can silence and staying put in NY by Remington not be a slap in the face to gun owners? These actions are too new to see if they are being taken seriously. Nobody has moved, no jobs have been lost. Nobody has been taken seriously because nothing has happened yet. It bears repeating. States that want to court new businesses help subsidize the move. They offer cheap or free land, build the infrastructure, offer tax breaks for 5-10 years, subsidize the labor costs if unemployed or special need labor is hired and offer to help with moving expenses. I read that Remington was going to retool anyways so why not start in a brand new factory in TX or AR or TN? This isn't only about Remington. It's about any company in the firearm related field to stand up for our rights as much as to their stock holders. Remington is front-and-center right now as is Magpul. 2 companies on opposite ends of the spectrum. We don't have many options in stopping the law makers in each state. We have to use whatever options at our disposal to show we aren't going to just lay down because they have the president on their side. I have no doubt that the president is offering states that pass this legislation certain government monies, grants, subsidies, etc that are discretionary now. He is buying their support because he can. How can we fight that? With our wallets and choices. Elections and where we spend our money is where we have the power. We have to use it.
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April 16, 2013, 02:34 AM | #104 |
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Not saying I will boycott Remington, but I will just buy from everybody else who supports the 2A more vocally and more visibly than they do.
Between a company that takes giant risks to protect our rights (like Magpul) and one that doesn't appear to be doing anything extraordinary, it's an easy choice for me. |
April 16, 2013, 01:10 PM | #105 |
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Not so for me. It's easy to look only at the face of it and then get bent out of shape. But looking at it deeper you see it differently.
Remington is a name that has been sold and is owned by Freedom Group. Freedom group is a name owned for now, but being sold off by Cerberus. Under these conditions I find it hard to take a company that is providing our US Special Forces and other parts of the DoD with winning weapons that can mean life or death for our best defenders and lightly consider the impact of the families of Remington and go hard on them when they may have their hands tied. I can't do that.
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April 16, 2013, 02:39 PM | #106 |
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OK for all you that say Rem is just a poor pawn in the giant game .( good points ) Lets see a compleete list of companies freedom group and Cerberus own so we can no longer do business with any of them .
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April 16, 2013, 04:12 PM | #107 | |
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April 16, 2013, 09:17 PM | #108 |
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Taken from Wikipedia, here is a list of companies comprising the Freedom Group:
Advanced Armament Corporation Barnes Bullets [<---- makers of CORBON Ammo projectiles?] Bushmaster Firearms International Dakota Arms DPMS Panther Arms H & R Firearms Marlin Mountain Khakis Para USA Parker Gunmakers Remington Arms Remington Military Remington LE Remington PMPD TAPCO |
April 16, 2013, 09:32 PM | #109 | |
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So what is the best way of handling this?
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I remember the time (1989) when William Ruger opposed to the idea of large-capacity magazines. Back then I really didn't mind because I was too young. But looking at how bad things are nowadays, makes me wish he didn't say that because the magazine ban we are now facing is not a recent invention, it was suggested many years ago by William on a letter to congress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_B._Ruger So my question now is, how should our community best encourage firearms companies to help out with our cause? Do we support them? Do we boycott them? Or should we just wait? Last edited by freedash22; April 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM. Reason: Quote correction |
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April 16, 2013, 10:22 PM | #110 |
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So there are actually four Remington Companies - Remington Arms, Remington Military, Remington LE, and Remington PMPD. Looks like everyone wins and goes home happy. We civilians can buy our sporting arms from other manufacturers if we so choose, while the Military and the Law can buy the guns of their choice from Remington's other divisions.
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April 17, 2013, 12:18 AM | #111 |
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Here is a list that Cerberus owns , source wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ment_companies
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April 18, 2013, 12:04 PM | #112 |
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To those who are swearing off all things Remington just keep in mind that buying used firearms does not profit the original manufacturer at all. I'm sure most here understand this but some people can get carried away.
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April 18, 2013, 12:38 PM | #113 | |
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And lcpiper stands by every one of you for making up your own minds. I would not ever try to take that away from any of you. I am a firm believer that informed active people of good conscience are the best defense of freedom we have.
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