Remington Mohawk 10C and Marlin 25N for Ruger 10/22?

LAKE713 · June 27, 2011, 07:07 AM

Hey everyone, I'm fairly new to firearm knowledge (been shooting for many years but always casual; only now am I really starting to learn about guns and shooting). I have a Marlin 25N in great shape and a Remington Mohawk 10C that's in near pristine condition save the missing magazine (which is apparently notoriously difficult to track down. I got one for a Nylon 77 but I lacked the knowledge on how to modify it before the thing fell apart in my hands and had to be tossed). I've been wanting to streamline/update my "armory" as it were and was wondering if trading these in (or at least just the Mohawk) for a Ruger 10/22 would be a good idea.

I've read that both are fairly reliable and accurate guns, especially the Marlin which I've been considering hanging onto, but wanted to get your educated opinions as to whether or not a Ruger 10/22 would be as good or better than either of these. I don't really want redundancy in my collection. But, I also don't want to throw away a good gun for $50 trade-in value, you know?

Any thoughts and opinions would be highly appreciated.

cecILL · June 27, 2011, 07:17 AM

Hi Lake. Be careful. Some of those Remingtons are worth some bucks.

LAKE713 · June 27, 2011, 09:49 AM

Thanks, cecILL. I see them going for a couple hundred on Gunbroker. It's in great shape just doesn't have the clip and I kinda need a semiauto .22 rifle. I don't want to part with it if it's not going to get me much or if it's a collector's item, or if it's more accurate than a Ruger 10/22, but if it's worth something decent and isn't super special, I'm okay to part with it (I'm still keeping the rest of my grandfather's inherited arsenal: the RG-14, for fun; the .38 S&W Lemon Squeezer; the .25-35 Winchester lever action rifle; and the 7mm Spanish Mauser).

On a superficial note, I like the Mohawk 10C because, well, I usually sport a shaved down mohawk. I don't know which makes me weirder: the haircut or the connection to the gun based on its name alone. :\

Scorch · June 27, 2011, 12:16 PM

Keep in mind that in any trade, both parties have to get what they want, be it something special or money. Typically, I trade either retail to retail, wholesale to wholesale, or want to want. That said, in a trade with someone who is not trying to take advantage of you and who wants the Mohawk 10C, you should be able to trade the Mohawk 10C for a used 10/22. The bolt action Nylon rifles are not terribly desirable, but a used 10/22 for a Mohawk 10C in good shape should be doable.

LAKE713 · June 27, 2011, 03:54 PM

Thanks, Scorch. I didn't know a Mohawk 10C would potentially be good for a 1::1 trade on a Ruger 10/22. And honestly if I had the magazine for it (or preferably a few) then I wouldn't think about trading it. It's a good rifle that shoots well scoped and iron sighted, but without a magazine it's kinda just taking up space.

candr44 · June 28, 2011, 09:28 AM

Here's a source for a magazine: http://www.ammoclip.com/R/remington_nylon77.htm You might find them cheaper if you shop around, I did.

I had a 10c a few years ago and sold it after firing it a few times. The magazines are very flimsy and two of mine broke easily. The sheet metal cover on the receiver also prevented a scope from holding zero and I couldn't easily attach sling swivels. I ended up selling mine for what I payed for it. My 10c shot reliably but those three problems really turned me off to this rifle.

I would have gladly traded it for a Ruger 10/22. Also, if you like to customize your rifles, a Ruger 10/22 has a lot of after market accessories.

LAKE713 · June 29, 2011, 04:35 AM

Candr44, thank you for the link! I have to decide whether to invest in a 2nd attempt at a magazine for the Mohawk or just bite the bullet and trade it in for a 10/22. You're right, the magazines ARE flimsy. It has always shot well enough manually loading a single round at a time--due to the magazine not feeding--and that was with a scope, but I never tried it at any great distance.

It's a .22 so I'm hesitant to really invest in anything super tactical or expensive. The scope is salvagable so I just mounted it on my Marlin 25N, which has never had any problems. Haven't tested it out/zeroed it in yet though. Still, I feel I need a semiauto .22 and it doesn't do any good to have one if there are no magazines for it, or at least no magazines that will fit well without some tinkering. I've read that adding a little JB Weld to them will help them lock in, but I'm unsure as to the exact procedure.

candr44 · June 30, 2011, 05:01 PM

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I've read that adding a little JB Weld to them will help them lock in, but I'm unsure as to the exact procedure.

When I bought my 10c it didn't have any magazine with it either. They aren't hard to find and Remington used the same magazine on other models also.

I also had a problem locking in my magazines at first. After looking at the rifle I found the screw that holds the magazine guide rod to the rifle was loose. I tightened it and it worked fine after that. Could your mag guide rod be loose also? There is only one screw holding it in and if it comes loose it will wiggle around.

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It's a .22 so I'm hesitant to really invest in anything super tactical or expensive.

A basic Ruger 10/22 is about $200 new and can be had cheaper if you wait for the sales at Christmas time. I also found good and very inexpensive used .22 rifles at gun shows but that is few and far between. I bought a Marlin model 80 in good condition for $40, a Marlin model 60 in like new condition but very dirty for $30, and a working Mossberg model 51 made before WW2 for $50. Pawn shops are another good place to find inexspensive .22 rifles.

Big Shrek · June 30, 2011, 09:30 PM

Heck, get a 1022 from a pawn shop for $100-150 and keep your classic rifles,
both of which are likely to be more accurate than a stock 1022 anyway.

Why spend retail? Most folks end up replacing most of the 1022 components to make it work better...
when they shoulda just bought the parts they wanted first and built it from scratch, which saves money.

If you must sell your 10C, at least use the $$ to get a Volquarzen...you'll be far better off.

LAKE713 · July 1, 2011, 04:44 AM

Big Shrek, I AM planning on visiting a local pawn shop later today...maybe before stopping by The Franklin Gun Shop in my hunt for a Ruger Mk II 22/45 and then Specialty Arms for a S&W 5906 (and a call to BuMED to get an explanation for my denied USMC waiver and then calling the Army recruiter b/c working in private security is vastly unfufilling--but that's beside the point). I've never heard of a Volquarzen though.

The 10C would be a badass little rifle if it weren't for the mag issue. Has anyone ever modified any Nylon 77 mags for their 10C's? Just curious as to the process and reliability.

LAKE713 · July 1, 2011, 04:58 AM

Thank you, Candr44, for the mag guide rod tip! I had no idea and haven't run across anything on any other forum about that. Certainly seems like an easier and more foolproof fix than applying some JB Weld to the mags. From what I remember the mag would click in but after the first or second round it would come loose and Fail-to-Feed.

A Ruger 10/22 might make an excellent Xmas gift from the folks: it's a fairly affordable gift that can make for a firearm-themed holiday with accessories and such...and can be a great way to ring in the new year.

candr44 · July 2, 2011, 12:18 AM

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Has anyone ever modified any Nylon 77 mags for their 10C's? Just curious as to the process and reliability.

The Nylon 77 is the same magazine as the 10c and shouldn't need any modification. The only difference in Nylon magazines is between the bolt action rifles and the semi auto rifles. The semi auto ones have a notch in the top of the mag body for faster feeding.

I used a Nylon 77 magazine in my 10c without any problems. What is the modification that you are making?

Gehrhard · July 2, 2011, 07:24 AM

Lake;
The gun will be more valuable to sell if you get a similar condition mag at a good price -- there is no downside really. U may also keep it and be on the lookout for more -- you'll find them.

As for the 10/22 -- they are OK if you realize u have to change the trigger set out of the box. Sorry, but the trigger is not good enough except for a little casual plinking. The Marlin 795 I just bought? Worse!

Master Blaster 2 · July 2, 2011, 10:51 AM

Keep what u got. Worth more. Ruger 10/22 are good guns however. Just put one on lay-a-way some where if money is an issue.

publius · July 2, 2011, 03:08 PM

No way. Save up for the relatively cheap 10/22 and keep the other two or sell them outright.

LAKE713 · July 7, 2011, 11:07 AM

Candr44, I may have been given a magazine for the bolt action model instead of the semi-auto when I ordered one then. That's the only thing I could think of that would explain the sloppy fit and the failures to feed. I might try ordering another one and just keep my eye out online.

Specialty Arms in Lavergne, TN has some fun, decently priced 10/22's so I may save up (just spent $750 on a pair of pistols), put one on layaway, or have it be the Xmas gift if I can find a good one for fairly cheap. I asked my friend who works there about trading it in and he recommended I hang on to it.

Thanks for the help, everyone. As ambivalent as I am about the 10c, I'll probably just keep it in the closest and stay on the look out for mags while eventually getting a 10/22. I'm not one for redundancy in my gun collection (all about pragmatism and utility with a little bit of "just b/c" fun factor thrown in) but I suppose it couldn't hurt to have an extra .22 semi-auto in the mix, especially given the prolific quantity and popularity of the 10/22's.

Gerhard, could you elaborate on the trigger issue?

June 27, 2011, 07:07 AM	#1
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Remington Mohawk 10C and Marlin 25N for Ruger 10/22? Hey everyone, I'm fairly new to firearm knowledge (been shooting for many years but always casual; only now am I really starting to learn about guns and shooting). I have a Marlin 25N in great shape and a Remington Mohawk 10C that's in near pristine condition save the missing magazine (which is apparently notoriously difficult to track down. I got one for a Nylon 77 but I lacked the knowledge on how to modify it before the thing fell apart in my hands and had to be tossed). I've been wanting to streamline/update my "armory" as it were and was wondering if trading these in (or at least just the Mohawk) for a Ruger 10/22 would be a good idea. I've read that both are fairly reliable and accurate guns, especially the Marlin which I've been considering hanging onto, but wanted to get your educated opinions as to whether or not a Ruger 10/22 would be as good or better than either of these. I don't really want redundancy in my collection. But, I also don't want to throw away a good gun for $50 trade-in value, you know? Any thoughts and opinions would be highly appreciated.

June 27, 2011, 12:16 PM	#4
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Keep in mind that in any trade, both parties have to get what they want, be it something special or money. Typically, I trade either retail to retail, wholesale to wholesale, or want to want. That said, in a trade with someone who is not trying to take advantage of you and who wants the Mohawk 10C, you should be able to trade the Mohawk 10C for a used 10/22. The bolt action Nylon rifles are not terribly desirable, but a used 10/22 for a Mohawk 10C in good shape should be doable. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

June 28, 2011, 09:28 AM	#6
candr44 Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2006 Posts: 481	Here's a source for a magazine: http://www.ammoclip.com/R/remington_nylon77.htm You might find them cheaper if you shop around, I did. I had a 10c a few years ago and sold it after firing it a few times. The magazines are very flimsy and two of mine broke easily. The sheet metal cover on the receiver also prevented a scope from holding zero and I couldn't easily attach sling swivels. I ended up selling mine for what I payed for it. My 10c shot reliably but those three problems really turned me off to this rifle. I would have gladly traded it for a Ruger 10/22. Also, if you like to customize your rifles, a Ruger 10/22 has a lot of after market accessories. Last edited by candr44; June 28, 2011 at 09:38 AM.

June 30, 2011, 09:30 PM	#9
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	Heck, get a 1022 from a pawn shop for $100-150 and keep your classic rifles, both of which are likely to be more accurate than a stock 1022 anyway. Why spend retail? Most folks end up replacing most of the 1022 components to make it work better... when they shoulda just bought the parts they wanted first and built it from scratch, which saves money. If you must sell your 10C, at least use the $$ to get a Volquarzen...you'll be far better off. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

July 2, 2011, 03:08 PM	#15
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	No way. Save up for the relatively cheap 10/22 and keep the other two or sell them outright. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

June 27, 2011, 07:17 AM	#2
cecILL Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2001 Location: central IL Posts: 769	Hi Lake. Be careful. Some of those Remingtons are worth some bucks.

June 27, 2011, 09:49 AM	#3
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Thanks, cecILL. I see them going for a couple hundred on Gunbroker. It's in great shape just doesn't have the clip and I kinda need a semiauto .22 rifle. I don't want to part with it if it's not going to get me much or if it's a collector's item, or if it's more accurate than a Ruger 10/22, but if it's worth something decent and isn't super special, I'm okay to part with it (I'm still keeping the rest of my grandfather's inherited arsenal: the RG-14, for fun; the .38 S&W Lemon Squeezer; the .25-35 Winchester lever action rifle; and the 7mm Spanish Mauser). On a superficial note, I like the Mohawk 10C because, well, I usually sport a shaved down mohawk. I don't know which makes me weirder: the haircut or the connection to the gun based on its name alone. :\

June 27, 2011, 03:54 PM	#5
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Thanks, Scorch. I didn't know a Mohawk 10C would potentially be good for a 1::1 trade on a Ruger 10/22. And honestly if I had the magazine for it (or preferably a few) then I wouldn't think about trading it. It's a good rifle that shoots well scoped and iron sighted, but without a magazine it's kinda just taking up space.

June 29, 2011, 04:35 AM	#7
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Candr44, thank you for the link! I have to decide whether to invest in a 2nd attempt at a magazine for the Mohawk or just bite the bullet and trade it in for a 10/22. You're right, the magazines ARE flimsy. It has always shot well enough manually loading a single round at a time--due to the magazine not feeding--and that was with a scope, but I never tried it at any great distance. It's a .22 so I'm hesitant to really invest in anything super tactical or expensive. The scope is salvagable so I just mounted it on my Marlin 25N, which has never had any problems. Haven't tested it out/zeroed it in yet though. Still, I feel I need a semiauto .22 and it doesn't do any good to have one if there are no magazines for it, or at least no magazines that will fit well without some tinkering. I've read that adding a little JB Weld to them will help them lock in, but I'm unsure as to the exact procedure.

July 1, 2011, 04:44 AM	#10
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Big Shrek, I AM planning on visiting a local pawn shop later today...maybe before stopping by The Franklin Gun Shop in my hunt for a Ruger Mk II 22/45 and then Specialty Arms for a S&W 5906 (and a call to BuMED to get an explanation for my denied USMC waiver and then calling the Army recruiter b/c working in private security is vastly unfufilling--but that's beside the point). I've never heard of a Volquarzen though. The 10C would be a badass little rifle if it weren't for the mag issue. Has anyone ever modified any Nylon 77 mags for their 10C's? Just curious as to the process and reliability.

July 1, 2011, 04:58 AM	#11
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Thank you, Candr44, for the mag guide rod tip! I had no idea and haven't run across anything on any other forum about that. Certainly seems like an easier and more foolproof fix than applying some JB Weld to the mags. From what I remember the mag would click in but after the first or second round it would come loose and Fail-to-Feed. A Ruger 10/22 might make an excellent Xmas gift from the folks: it's a fairly affordable gift that can make for a firearm-themed holiday with accessories and such...and can be a great way to ring in the new year.

July 2, 2011, 07:24 AM	#13
Gehrhard Junior member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: East of the Missississippippi Posts: 675	Lake; The gun will be more valuable to sell if you get a similar condition mag at a good price -- there is no downside really. U may also keep it and be on the lookout for more -- you'll find them. As for the 10/22 -- they are OK if you realize u have to change the trigger set out of the box. Sorry, but the trigger is not good enough except for a little casual plinking. The Marlin 795 I just bought? Worse!

July 2, 2011, 10:51 AM	#14
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Keep what u got. Worth more. Ruger 10/22 are good guns however. Just put one on lay-a-way some where if money is an issue.

July 7, 2011, 11:07 AM	#16
LAKE713 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Posts: 40	Candr44, I may have been given a magazine for the bolt action model instead of the semi-auto when I ordered one then. That's the only thing I could think of that would explain the sloppy fit and the failures to feed. I might try ordering another one and just keep my eye out online. Specialty Arms in Lavergne, TN has some fun, decently priced 10/22's so I may save up (just spent $750 on a pair of pistols), put one on layaway, or have it be the Xmas gift if I can find a good one for fairly cheap. I asked my friend who works there about trading it in and he recommended I hang on to it. Thanks for the help, everyone. As ambivalent as I am about the 10c, I'll probably just keep it in the closest and stay on the look out for mags while eventually getting a 10/22. I'm not one for redundancy in my gun collection (all about pragmatism and utility with a little bit of "just b/c" fun factor thrown in) but I suppose it couldn't hurt to have an extra .22 semi-auto in the mix, especially given the prolific quantity and popularity of the 10/22's. Gerhard, could you elaborate on the trigger issue?