LEOs and post-'86 MGs

jnojr · June 24, 2005, 02:49 PM

Can a police officer buy a post-'86 MG, or can only the department buy one? And, if the officer can buy one, what happens if s/he moves to another department, quits, retires, is medically retired, etc.?

ATW525 · June 24, 2005, 03:13 PM

Individuals cannot own Post-86 machine guns. Only SOTs, law enforcement and government agencies. So only the department can buy one.

Hawainpanda · June 27, 2005, 02:56 PM

whats an SOT?

ATW525 · June 27, 2005, 03:02 PM

SOT = Special Occupation Tax... it means an FFL holder who in addition to thier normal fees are paying an annual tax to the government in order to deal in NFA weapons. The amount of the tax varies depending on the occupation... a dealer in NFA weapons pays less than a manufacturer, for instance.

Hawainpanda · June 27, 2005, 03:30 PM

hmmmm, so not even security companies can have autos? So the SOT's are the middle men between gunmakers and goverment agencies?

ATW525 · June 27, 2005, 04:14 PM

Pretty much, except that the gun makers are also SOTs if they make machine guns... or any other NFA regulated weapon. But your basic rent-a-cop agency can't buy post-86 machine guns. Mercenary style companies can get around this by buying the guns in the country they're operating in and not worrying about US laws... they of course can't bring the weapons back, though.

Hkmp5sd · June 27, 2005, 05:26 PM

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hmmmm, so not even security companies can have autos?

At least they apply it somewhat fairly. A couple of years ago, the UN was caught issuing their security guards brand new MP5s. The .gov made them get rid of them.

But then, Ted Kennedy's bodyguard gets busted carrying an unregistered machinegun on the steps of the US capital and nothing was done to him.

James K · June 27, 2005, 05:35 PM

IIRC, the Kennedy bodyguard's gun was legally registered, just not legal in D.C. or to have in the Capitol building. Again, IIRC, the bodyguard was not prosecuted, but the gun was confiscated.

Jim

Hkmp5sd · June 27, 2005, 05:41 PM

You're probably right. I can't remember all of the details.

Hawainpanda · June 27, 2005, 05:52 PM

lol, that's pretty funny, confiscated and...a new addition to the US armory
wonder if the body guard got it back....it would be a pity if it wasn't

FLRich · July 25, 2005, 02:27 PM

Some Capitol Police Chief probably has it hanging on his office wall!

June 24, 2005, 02:49 PM	#1
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June 27, 2005, 05:41 PM	#9
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	You're probably right. I can't remember all of the details. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

June 24, 2005, 03:13 PM	#2
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	Individuals cannot own Post-86 machine guns. Only SOTs, law enforcement and government agencies. So only the department can buy one.

June 27, 2005, 02:56 PM	#3
Hawainpanda Member Join Date: June 21, 2005 Posts: 42	whats an SOT?

June 27, 2005, 03:02 PM	#4
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	SOT = Special Occupation Tax... it means an FFL holder who in addition to thier normal fees are paying an annual tax to the government in order to deal in NFA weapons. The amount of the tax varies depending on the occupation... a dealer in NFA weapons pays less than a manufacturer, for instance.

June 27, 2005, 03:30 PM	#5
Hawainpanda Member Join Date: June 21, 2005 Posts: 42	hmmmm, so not even security companies can have autos? So the SOT's are the middle men between gunmakers and goverment agencies?

June 27, 2005, 04:14 PM	#6
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	Pretty much, except that the gun makers are also SOTs if they make machine guns... or any other NFA regulated weapon. But your basic rent-a-cop agency can't buy post-86 machine guns. Mercenary style companies can get around this by buying the guns in the country they're operating in and not worrying about US laws... they of course can't bring the weapons back, though.

June 27, 2005, 05:35 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	IIRC, the Kennedy bodyguard's gun was legally registered, just not legal in D.C. or to have in the Capitol building. Again, IIRC, the bodyguard was not prosecuted, but the gun was confiscated. Jim

June 27, 2005, 05:52 PM	#10
Hawainpanda Member Join Date: June 21, 2005 Posts: 42	lol, that's pretty funny, confiscated and...a new addition to the US armory wonder if the body guard got it back....it would be a pity if it wasn't

July 25, 2005, 02:27 PM	#11
FLRich Member Join Date: July 21, 2005 Location: Republik of the Amerikas Posts: 32	Some Capitol Police Chief probably has it hanging on his office wall!