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March 1, 2006, 12:30 PM | #51 |
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A 9mm can easily go in and out of a man's skull, so it bone breaking ability is not in question. It just due to angle and a few other factors (perhaps bad ammo) lead this bullet to get stuck in the guy's mouth instead coming out of the back of his head. The same thing might of happened if the insurgent used a .40 or a .45, you never can be sure. Its the way the bullet bounces, If the insurgent kept shooting the soldier in the face, regardless of the caliber, the soldier would probably have been dead. Instead the insurgent was confused, "I shot the guy in the face and he is still standing and not dead?' and in that confusion he stopped shooting and was taken prisoner. You shoot until the guy your shooting at goes down, don't rely on big calibers to be one stop shots, just keep shooting.
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March 1, 2006, 12:39 PM | #52 | |
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As a matter of fact, I was just talking with a fellow last week who's father-in-law had just shot himself in an extremity while cleaning his pistol. I said "Glock?" He said "yep."(INSERT VEHEHEMENTLY PRO OR CON GLOCK ARGUMENT HERE) And, while it does give us an opportunity to reflect on the wisdom of a design which requires the trigger be pulled for disassembly, the real lesson is CHECK YOUR CHAMBER! Back to the point of this thread...if you pack a pistol, be prepared to empty a lot of rounds into an attacker. If you don't have to, that's great. But do be prepared for it. And for those who say that shot placement is key: I'm right there with you.
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Sheesh! Do I feel left out or what?! I'm probably the only one on this thread who hasn't gone to Nam, Korea, broken a bone, got shot, etc... I know, its not glamourous, but I can't say I relate...Amazing stories. Kudos to all who served, and continue to do so. Oh wait, I stepped barefoot on a scorpion one time! That hurt WAAAAY more than a beesting! Seriously!
Bullets are strange things, sometimes they don't kill when they should, and sometimes they kill when they shouldn't. Marinate on that for a while...
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dave-as for having to pull the trigger to disassemble, thats why I love my P99, don't have to pull the trigger to do it.
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March 1, 2006, 02:03 PM | #55 |
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Good point Dave...you should always check to make sure you gun is unloaded. The S&W Sigma got other issues other than poor take down design.
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March 1, 2006, 04:13 PM | #57 |
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Quote: Anyone ever fractured a bone? Tell me that didn't hurt.
When I was young, I was riding bmx and flipped over handlebars on a ****ed up trick. I snapped my arm clean in half. From the middle of my forerm to the tip of my hand was bent at what I remember dam close to a 45degree angle perpendicularly to the half of my forearm attatched to my elbow and upper arm. I got up and got back on my bike, then noticing that my hand was not where it sould be on the grip with my arms in the position they were in... "Holy **** fool! Your arms bent!"
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Many have said to shoot until the threat is over. Many have said to carry as large a caliber as one can shoot well. Many have posted failures to stop by what are thought to be good manstoppers. Those failures validate the first to sentences. Shoot until the threat is over with the largest caliber you can shoot well.
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the heart is well above center mass. |
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March 1, 2006, 06:59 PM | #60 |
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It's amazing.....
It's pretty amazing what the human body can take. The guy could have been on a controlled substance like PCP, in which he would haven't felt anything, or like previously mentioned, the pure adreniline rush.
Even more amazing, I recently watched a video clip from a State Patrolman's cruiser in which after a skirmish with a man the trooper pulled over, the assailant was shot 5 out of 6 rounds from the patrolman's S&W with .357 +P hollow point and lived. The assailant shot the patrolman with one round from a .22 derringer, which struck the trooper in the side of the rib cage, between the front and back of his vest, and severed his aorta. How you live through 5 rounds of .357 +P center mass is beyond me. I just hope that guy felt the injection in his arm when they executed him. WeaponX "you sleep peacefully in your beds at night because good men stand guard willing to do harm on your behalf" |
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Let us assume the best intentions of each poster until they make clear and open attacks. Otherwise we run the risk of investing our own peeves into innocent posts. Besides, that kind of editing will put you in jeopardy of being hired by NBC news! (I'm pretty sure that last crack was ironic, not sarcastic. Okay, maybe sardonic. )
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March 1, 2006, 10:12 PM | #63 |
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The book, "We were soldiers once" recounts finding a wounded soldier holding his head after a firefight who said, 'don't bother with me, I'm already dead'.
He had been shot in the forehead betwen the eyes. |
March 1, 2006, 10:23 PM | #64 |
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Feel better now?
Hey Dave, do ya feel better I fixed it for ya! I still think it was a sarcastic remark better not said and who said anything about off topic?
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A green popsicle for the person who can find center mass on this target.
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My "on topic" remark was meant only to say that he had legitimate business posting. No other implication was intended.
And thank you for changing that.
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@ TX RGR
According to where the X is on that target picture you posted, I would guess that it is either directly on the right atrium of the heart, or very close to it. On that picture, it is a chest shot just above the diaphragm. |
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Just thought after a long read that I would correct a misconception repeated several times in this thread.
Adrenaline or epinephrine, is a neurotransmitter secreted in moments of crisis, the old fight or flight response. It makes the heart beat faster and work harder, increases the flow of blood to the muscles, causes increased mental awareness, and produces other changes in the body to meet an emergency. Endorphins, are hormone-like substances produced in the brain that have pain-relieving properties. It is the endorphins that act as the super pain reliever. Morphine and heroin are drugs that were made to react with are brain's endorphine receptors, that is why they relieve pain. Unfortunately they don't work as well and have some other inherent problems. |
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I don't know how to superimpose this view of the heart location onto the mass target shown above but it's pretty darn close. The "guts" are well below that point of impact.
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Looks pretty close to the 10 ring on the silhouette to me.
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Adrenaline is better than morphine
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CobrayCommando,
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Absafrigginlutly!
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Hence, shoot until the threat is over. Great post Stephen.
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So Riverrat, let me get this straight. You originally noted that you told that that a sniper would be shooting at that spot below the nose to shut off a guy like a lightswitch, but in reality it was something you heard on the History Channel? Then thank you for the verification that the statement was over simplified.
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I explained clearly why the shot is over-simplified as described or stated by a person who isn't up to speed on anatomy. The shot is a very complex shot to make because of all the parameters involved. I take it that the sniper that talks to you from the TV failed to explain to you just what causes the lights to go off. FYI, when I copy and paste stuff, I cite the web page.
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