Road Rage

yomama · March 11, 2006, 11:04 AM

Hey everyone. Ok, here it goes. Just saw video on the news of a guy in a suburban driving into a minivan/suv, out of road rage. The video has the 911 call from the two women inside the suv as they were being rammed by this guy multiple times. They had a cell phone, and police arrived quickly.

Now what rights do you have in a vehicle in regards to brandishing and possibly making the decision to draw and fire. I've been told you may never fire inside a car, because you are in a vehicle that can leave the area of conflict. However, this guy did not stop when they tried to flee.

Any perspectives you all can give me would be a great help. Keep in mind, i hate cell phones, and will not carry one. I know they are convienient and safe, but have spent more on phones than guns.

It's not vengence, it's punishment - The Punisher

threegun · March 11, 2006, 11:54 AM

Call 911. Drive cautiously towards the police department. If this madman rams you and you cannot flee you have no choice but to defend yourself.

Dwight55 · March 11, 2006, 02:27 PM

In your vehicle, . . . just get away, . . . as threegun said, . . . calling 911 and trying to disengage from the perp.

Also remember, . . . if he is ramming your rear, . . . the vulnerability of his radiator, water pump, battery, etc is all right there, . . . whereas it's only the rear trunk/back bumper of your vehicle. His should be damaged and stopped before yours is made immobile.

(You may even put it in reverse, . . . jam him, . . . and make it happen a little faster if you think of it

)

May God bless,
Dwight

Blackwater OPS · March 11, 2006, 05:04 PM

A vehicle is a deadly weapon, I would shoot to defend my self from someone trying to kill me with an SUV. That said, having the skill to hit a moving target from another moving target with a buch of metal and glass in the way while possibly trying to drive at the same time, all while not further endangering bystanders, is something most people just do not have. Of course, it would not be much much safer for anyone to floor it and try to out run the person ant 120MPH. Try not to cut people off, or drive 45 MPH on the freeway while talking on the cell, let the nutcases pass you.

threegun · March 11, 2006, 05:37 PM

An old friend had a road rage incident that got went out of control and he is lucky to be alive as well as not in jail. He was at a traffic light when the people in the car next to him started shouting racial slurs at him and his passenger. They were playing country music to loud and offended these folks.......(the only thing he could think of as a reason). Well instead of just ignoring them and going about his business, he retaliated verbally. Now the light changes and the badguys toss something at his car, to which his friend tosses a soda can back. Now these badguys start chasing him and his friend. His friend hears popping noises and they both see muzzel flashes comming from the badguys car. My friend now crapping his pants presses the brake stopping the car sideways and from the drivers window fires 4 shots the last of which sends the chasing car into the shoulder of the road full brakes. After several seconds the chasing car backs up and leaves.

Things can only go bad if you escalate. My friend almost got shot. Then if these guys had been injured, he would have had to explain his actions. Pretty tough to look like the victim after tossing a soda can at the people you just shot.

GlocksRfun · March 11, 2006, 08:00 PM

After tossing a soda can at the guy u just shot.. isn't that in the wrong order... shot the guy u threw a soda can at... anyways.. newer cars have a fuel pump shut off that, umm, shuts off the fuel pump if the car thinks it's been in a wreck. If u are being rammed, what are the odds of your car shutting down and then not able to flee. Luckily they were in a subarbun and not my ford.

Derius_T · March 11, 2006, 08:34 PM

Another addition to this. Say your kids are in the vehicle with you. Do you still try to drive to the police station while this madman continues to ram you? How far are you from the nearest police station? Do you even know where the closest station is to where you are at the time?

My kids are with me, person rams me with vehicle. I would try to drive off at first, but if he continued to try to chase or ram me, I honestly believe that would put my life and my kids lives in danger enough to use deadly force. After all, if a 1 1/2 ton vehicle raming you isn't considered deadly force, what is?

GodblessAmerica · March 12, 2006, 01:39 AM

GlocksRfun,
Good point about the fuel pump shutdown, something to consider if forced into a demolition derby by some bonehead with road rage. As a partial solution, check your owners manual or with Ford. Many of their trucks/SUVs have the reset switch for the fuel pump located on the floor in the footwell of the front passenger side. A good friend of mine found this out when the tow truck operator showed him how his tall wife had stepped on it and disabled the truck

DWARREN123 · March 12, 2006, 04:39 AM

Be a good driver, try to get away, defend yourself as needed, do not make it worse.

yomama · March 12, 2006, 11:36 AM

Thank you all so much. The information talked about is very helpful. Again, as i've said before, you'd think they would go over this in the CCW class. Instead the guy was a prick, and wouldn't answer questions.

Thanks again

CyberSEAL · March 12, 2006, 03:56 PM

I practice aiming at all four corners of my vehicle from the driver's seat.

Dennis2 · March 12, 2006, 05:43 PM

The automobile is the most deadly weapon of all, it kills more people than all handguns. Road rage is a symptom of our society and people are using their cars to exact revenge and pay back for perceived wrongs to them? Wheather getting cut off, driving too slow, etc.

Here is what I think and do... I carry full coverage automobile insurance and do not want to get involved in an accident or altercation. I get cut off all the time in traffic and it really pi$$es me off, however, I rise above that get even mentality and concentrate on getting home safely.

Sooner or later the a$$ holes on the road doing you wrong will get their just due. I would not use a weapon with dualing automobiles under any circumstances what-so-ever, period...

Nortonics · March 12, 2006, 07:05 PM

I have to believe that you got this story up here in the Minneapolis as that's where this happened. Here's the video from a local news station complete with the spinning tire smoke still contuinuing even as the police arrive:

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewe...?Art_ID=165954

Tell ya what, if I was being bashed like that and couldn't get out of my vehicle I'd unload everything I had right then and there.

And as far as shooting from a car or into a car, ain't no such laws that I'm aware of here in Minnesota that restricts that, unless you're out hunting.

Derius_T · March 13, 2006, 11:08 AM

Dennis2 wrote:

Quote:

Sooner or later the a$$ holes on the road doing you wrong will get their just due. I would not use a weapon with dualing automobiles under any circumstances what-so-ever, period...

Soooo, some jacked-up moron decides to ram into your vehicle. Your vehicle for whatever reason, becomes disabled fter the initial impact. Person backs up, and rams your drivers door, trapping you in your vehicle. They back up again and line up with your drivers door, ready for another smash. You can reach your firearm. Are you honestly telling me that you would not USE IT?

Nortonics · March 13, 2006, 11:45 AM

A little more complete video from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...road.rage.wxyz

Ilovemyak47 · March 13, 2006, 11:59 AM

Am I the only one wondering [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] those chicks did to piss off that crazy ol geezer? It'd have to have been pretty bad to warrant totalling your own ride like that, no?

OBIWAN · March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM

http://www.sillyhumor.com/trunkmonkey/

threegun · March 13, 2006, 12:21 PM

When I get my new 2007 475hp mustang cobra, ramming will not be a concern anymore LOL.

Derius, I would be forced to shoot.

Derius_T · March 13, 2006, 07:25 PM

I would also be forced to shoot I believe. It was just that Dennis2 said he would neer under any circumstances use a gun in this situation. Was just trying to help him see the light.

Also, the Trunk Money thing is PRICELESS. I want one!

March 11, 2006, 11:04 AM	#1
yomama Junior member Join Date: February 28, 2006 Posts: 509	Road Rage Hey everyone. Ok, here it goes. Just saw video on the news of a guy in a suburban driving into a minivan/suv, out of road rage. The video has the 911 call from the two women inside the suv as they were being rammed by this guy multiple times. They had a cell phone, and police arrived quickly. Now what rights do you have in a vehicle in regards to brandishing and possibly making the decision to draw and fire. I've been told you may never fire inside a car, because you are in a vehicle that can leave the area of conflict. However, this guy did not stop when they tried to flee. Any perspectives you all can give me would be a great help. Keep in mind, i hate cell phones, and will not carry one. I know they are convienient and safe, but have spent more on phones than guns. It's not vengence, it's punishment - The Punisher

March 11, 2006, 02:27 PM	#3
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	In your vehicle, . . . just get away, . . . as threegun said, . . . calling 911 and trying to disengage from the perp. Also remember, . . . if he is ramming your rear, . . . the vulnerability of his radiator, water pump, battery, etc is all right there, . . . whereas it's only the rear trunk/back bumper of your vehicle. His should be damaged and stopped before yours is made immobile. (You may even put it in reverse, . . . jam him, . . . and make it happen a little faster if you think of it ) May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

March 11, 2006, 05:04 PM	#4
Blackwater OPS Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,152	A vehicle is a deadly weapon, I would shoot to defend my self from someone trying to kill me with an SUV. That said, having the skill to hit a moving target from another moving target with a buch of metal and glass in the way while possibly trying to drive at the same time, all while not further endangering bystanders, is something most people just do not have. Of course, it would not be much much safer for anyone to floor it and try to out run the person ant 120MPH. Try not to cut people off, or drive 45 MPH on the freeway while talking on the cell, let the nutcases pass you. __________________ "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell Died 9/1/2005 and the best DS ever MSG Matthew Ritz Died 11.23.2005 matthewritz.com For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know. (\__/) (='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny! (")_(")

March 12, 2006, 05:43 PM	#12
Dennis2 Member Join Date: February 19, 2006 Posts: 24	Let's Use Common Sense The automobile is the most deadly weapon of all, it kills more people than all handguns. Road rage is a symptom of our society and people are using their cars to exact revenge and pay back for perceived wrongs to them? Wheather getting cut off, driving too slow, etc. Here is what I think and do... I carry full coverage automobile insurance and do not want to get involved in an accident or altercation. I get cut off all the time in traffic and it really pi$$es me off, however, I rise above that get even mentality and concentrate on getting home safely. Sooner or later the a$$ holes on the road doing you wrong will get their just due. I would not use a weapon with dualing automobiles under any circumstances what-so-ever, period...

March 12, 2006, 07:05 PM	#13
Nortonics Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Murderapolis Posts: 521	I have to believe that you got this story up here in the Minneapolis as that's where this happened. Here's the video from a local news station complete with the spinning tire smoke still contuinuing even as the police arrive: http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewe...?Art_ID=165954 Tell ya what, if I was being bashed like that and couldn't get out of my vehicle I'd unload everything I had right then and there. And as far as shooting from a car or into a car, ain't no such laws that I'm aware of here in Minnesota that restricts that, unless you're out hunting. __________________ Tom.

March 11, 2006, 11:54 AM	#2
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	Call 911. Drive cautiously towards the police department. If this madman rams you and you cannot flee you have no choice but to defend yourself.

March 11, 2006, 05:37 PM	#5
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	An old friend had a road rage incident that got went out of control and he is lucky to be alive as well as not in jail. He was at a traffic light when the people in the car next to him started shouting racial slurs at him and his passenger. They were playing country music to loud and offended these folks.......(the only thing he could think of as a reason). Well instead of just ignoring them and going about his business, he retaliated verbally. Now the light changes and the badguys toss something at his car, to which his friend tosses a soda can back. Now these badguys start chasing him and his friend. His friend hears popping noises and they both see muzzel flashes comming from the badguys car. My friend now crapping his pants presses the brake stopping the car sideways and from the drivers window fires 4 shots the last of which sends the chasing car into the shoulder of the road full brakes. After several seconds the chasing car backs up and leaves. Things can only go bad if you escalate. My friend almost got shot. Then if these guys had been injured, he would have had to explain his actions. Pretty tough to look like the victim after tossing a soda can at the people you just shot.

March 11, 2006, 08:00 PM	#6
GlocksRfun Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 423	After tossing a soda can at the guy u just shot.. isn't that in the wrong order... shot the guy u threw a soda can at... anyways.. newer cars have a fuel pump shut off that, umm, shuts off the fuel pump if the car thinks it's been in a wreck. If u are being rammed, what are the odds of your car shutting down and then not able to flee. Luckily they were in a subarbun and not my ford.

March 11, 2006, 08:34 PM	#7
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	Another addition to this. Say your kids are in the vehicle with you. Do you still try to drive to the police station while this madman continues to ram you? How far are you from the nearest police station? Do you even know where the closest station is to where you are at the time? My kids are with me, person rams me with vehicle. I would try to drive off at first, but if he continued to try to chase or ram me, I honestly believe that would put my life and my kids lives in danger enough to use deadly force. After all, if a 1 1/2 ton vehicle raming you isn't considered deadly force, what is?

March 12, 2006, 01:39 AM	#8
GodblessAmerica Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Posts: 162	GlocksRfun, Good point about the fuel pump shutdown, something to consider if forced into a demolition derby by some bonehead with road rage. As a partial solution, check your owners manual or with Ford. Many of their trucks/SUVs have the reset switch for the fuel pump located on the floor in the footwell of the front passenger side. A good friend of mine found this out when the tow truck operator showed him how his tall wife had stepped on it and disabled the truck

March 12, 2006, 04:39 AM	#9
DWARREN123 Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Location: BETWEEN TN & KY Posts: 1,758	Be a good driver, try to get away, defend yourself as needed, do not make it worse.

March 12, 2006, 11:36 AM	#10
yomama Junior member Join Date: February 28, 2006 Posts: 509	Thank you all so much. The information talked about is very helpful. Again, as i've said before, you'd think they would go over this in the CCW class. Instead the guy was a prick, and wouldn't answer questions. Thanks again

March 12, 2006, 03:56 PM	#11
CyberSEAL Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2005 Posts: 161	I practice aiming at all four corners of my vehicle from the driver's seat.

March 13, 2006, 11:45 AM	#15
Nortonics Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Murderapolis Posts: 521	A little more complete video from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...road.rage.wxyz __________________ Tom.

March 13, 2006, 11:59 AM	#16
Ilovemyak47 Junior member Join Date: February 24, 2006 Posts: 90	Am I the only one wondering [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] those chicks did to piss off that crazy ol geezer? It'd have to have been pretty bad to warrant totalling your own ride like that, no?

March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM	#17
OBIWAN Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,340	http://www.sillyhumor.com/trunkmonkey/

March 13, 2006, 12:21 PM	#18
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	When I get my new 2007 475hp mustang cobra, ramming will not be a concern anymore LOL. Derius, I would be forced to shoot.

March 13, 2006, 07:25 PM	#19
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	I would also be forced to shoot I believe. It was just that Dennis2 said he would neer under any circumstances use a gun in this situation. Was just trying to help him see the light. Also, the Trunk Money thing is PRICELESS. I want one!