VZ 24 vs M 24/47

ks_wayward_son · June 26, 2010, 06:36 PM

Since I can't really find a vz 24 right now, how would the 24/47 compare? Aren't the 24/47's basically Yugo rearsenaled rifles from the Czech's vz's? Would the choice sort of boil down to which nationality from which you want to collect?

madcratebuilder · June 27, 2010, 06:15 AM

The Yugo M24/47 is a rearsenal of the Serb/Yugo M1924. The Yugo M24/52C is the rearsenaled vz24.

Yugo M24/52C

Yugo M24/47

Yugo M1924 Infantry rifle

The M24/52C is my favorite Yugo rifle, I like the double sling attachments. I'm only collecting the Yugo Mauser platform rifle, but that can be close to a dozen rifles if you want ever model and variation.

TX Hunter · June 27, 2010, 10:13 AM

From what I understand, the Yugo 24 47 is very similar to the VZ 24 but is more acurate and cheaper.

Here is a Picture of mine.

madcratebuilder · June 28, 2010, 06:59 AM

The Czech VZ24/Yugo M24/52C is a long action, the Yugo M24/47 is a intermediate action. It is a 1/4 inch shorter. Different furniture, receiver and bolt.

You can see the difference in this photo.

James K · June 28, 2010, 06:24 PM

Back about 1924, every arms maker in Europe was bringing out a new, or slightly revamped, military rifle. The FN (Belgian) Model 24 was an intermediate action, slightly shorter than the standard Mauser '98 action. One way this was achieved was to cut the barrel breech a bit for the extractor, something not done in the standard '98. The Czechs, meanwhile, were also making and selling their Vzor (Model) 1924, which is a standard length '98 action.

The Yugos bought tons of both. The Yugo M24/47 is an upgraded FN rifle; the 24/52 is an upgraded Vz-24. The Model 48 is a Yugoslav made rifle, basically identical to the M24/47, with an intermediate length receiver.

As you might gather, the Czech and Belgian workmanship is better than that from Yugoslavia. Otherwise, they are all about the same unless you are trying to put standard Mauser 98 parts or accessories on an intermediate action.

Jim

madcratebuilder · June 29, 2010, 08:04 AM

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The Yugos bought tons of both. The Yugo M24/47 is an upgraded FN rifle; the 24/52 is an upgraded Vz-24. The Model 48 is a Yugoslav made rifle, basically identical to the M24/47, with an intermediate length receiver.

FN supplied about 100k M1924's to Serbia starting in 1925. In 1925-1927 SHS duplicated the FN production line and starting producing their own M1924 rifles in 1928. The M24/47 can be either a FN or Yugo made rifle, most are Yugo's.

I wouldn't call either the 24/47 or 24/52C "upgraded" They were scrubbed and remarked.

The M48 is post WWII, some have sticky bolts, quality improved as the production line gained experience. The M48A has fewer sticky bolt issues and the M48B and M48BO are very smooth actions, but fewer milled parts in an attempt to keep production costs down.

BlueTrain · June 29, 2010, 09:00 AM

I've been reading about all these things for fifty years and for some reason it only occurred to me just now to ask why they were made in different action lengths? They were all chambered in just a few Mauser cartridges, plus some in .30-06, and I think but not sure that all the Mauser cartridges were pretty much the same length. For commercial sale (that is, to military customers), they could be had in about four different calibers, with 8mm Mauser probably being the most common and probably followed by 7mm Mauser.

The Yugoslavians were rather proud that they managed to get those small arms into production in their country.

James K · June 29, 2010, 12:07 PM

AFAIK, the reason was slightly better case head support duie to the way the bolt fits into the internal collar and supports the case head. The idea was actually the subject of a Mauser patent, but the system used on the standard 98 was much easier to manufacture and that outweighed the slight benefit of the earlier system.

Changing the bolt head system allowed use of a shorter action, with a small weight reduction.

Jim

June 26, 2010, 06:36 PM	#1
ks_wayward_son Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2007 Posts: 332	VZ 24 vs M 24/47 Since I can't really find a vz 24 right now, how would the 24/47 compare? Aren't the 24/47's basically Yugo rearsenaled rifles from the Czech's vz's? Would the choice sort of boil down to which nationality from which you want to collect?

June 27, 2010, 06:15 AM	#2
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	The Yugo M24/47 is a rearsenal of the Serb/Yugo M1924. The Yugo M24/52C is the rearsenaled vz24. Yugo M24/52C Yugo M24/47 Yugo M1924 Infantry rifle The M24/52C is my favorite Yugo rifle, I like the double sling attachments. I'm only collecting the Yugo Mauser platform rifle, but that can be close to a dozen rifles if you want ever model and variation. Last edited by madcratebuilder; June 27, 2010 at 06:21 AM.

June 27, 2010, 10:13 AM	#3
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	From what I understand, the Yugo 24 47 is very similar to the VZ 24 but is more acurate and cheaper. Here is a Picture of mine. Last edited by TX Hunter; June 27, 2010 at 10:30 AM.

June 29, 2010, 09:00 AM	#7
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	I've been reading about all these things for fifty years and for some reason it only occurred to me just now to ask why they were made in different action lengths? They were all chambered in just a few Mauser cartridges, plus some in .30-06, and I think but not sure that all the Mauser cartridges were pretty much the same length. For commercial sale (that is, to military customers), they could be had in about four different calibers, with 8mm Mauser probably being the most common and probably followed by 7mm Mauser. The Yugoslavians were rather proud that they managed to get those small arms into production in their country. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

June 28, 2010, 06:59 AM	#4
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	The Czech VZ24/Yugo M24/52C is a long action, the Yugo M24/47 is a intermediate action. It is a 1/4 inch shorter. Different furniture, receiver and bolt. You can see the difference in this photo.

June 28, 2010, 06:24 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Back about 1924, every arms maker in Europe was bringing out a new, or slightly revamped, military rifle. The FN (Belgian) Model 24 was an intermediate action, slightly shorter than the standard Mauser '98 action. One way this was achieved was to cut the barrel breech a bit for the extractor, something not done in the standard '98. The Czechs, meanwhile, were also making and selling their Vzor (Model) 1924, which is a standard length '98 action. The Yugos bought tons of both. The Yugo M24/47 is an upgraded FN rifle; the 24/52 is an upgraded Vz-24. The Model 48 is a Yugoslav made rifle, basically identical to the M24/47, with an intermediate length receiver. As you might gather, the Czech and Belgian workmanship is better than that from Yugoslavia. Otherwise, they are all about the same unless you are trying to put standard Mauser 98 parts or accessories on an intermediate action. Jim

June 29, 2010, 12:07 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	AFAIK, the reason was slightly better case head support duie to the way the bolt fits into the internal collar and supports the case head. The idea was actually the subject of a Mauser patent, but the system used on the standard 98 was much easier to manufacture and that outweighed the slight benefit of the earlier system. Changing the bolt head system allowed use of a shorter action, with a small weight reduction. Jim