7.62x39mm fmj(russian ammo) a good man stopper?

cajun47 · September 20, 2012, 10:34 AM

or should i be buying soft points for sd?

Mrgunsngear · September 20, 2012, 11:50 AM

It really depends. Which Russian ammo are you talking about?

That said, the nastiest 7.62x39 round I know of is Hornady's SST....

TheGunGuy · September 20, 2012, 11:53 AM

Uhh... Seeing as how Johnny Jihad is using comblock steel-cased fmj with pretty good success in their AKs...

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Mrgunsngear · September 20, 2012, 12:51 PM

Johnny Jihad is using a lot of 7N6 5.45 these days.

Here's some gel tests of the 7.62x39 SST round:

Gel tests

481 · September 20, 2012, 01:53 PM

Both will do the job.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19885

spacecoast · September 20, 2012, 03:52 PM

Anyone know if the current crop of Tula-based ammo is steel core or lead core?

Lloyd Smale · September 22, 2012, 06:29 AM

theres sure alot of soldiers sitting up there with God that will attest to its effectiveness.

Departed402 · September 23, 2012, 04:31 AM

Unfortunately, the Vietman War Memorial Wall in D.C. is pretty long. Granted, a fair share were probably IEDs and traps, but I'm sure many American GIs fell to the AK or SKS.

wnycollector · September 23, 2012, 06:40 PM

Here is an interesting thread about new production 7.62x39 ammo with the 8m3 Sapsan bullet.

bamaranger · September 24, 2012, 01:34 PM

I hate to even start down this path. So up front, all praise to our military and our allies in all past history and present.

So......seems like I read where in WWII, a high percentage of casualties were fragmentation related. Nam was different, many more projectile/bullet wounds percentage wise. Likely near all x39mm fmj.

God rest them all and comfort their families. Let us always honor and not forget.

Mr Budha · September 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

I know it's somewhat off topic but let's say all you had was some Brown Bear 7.62x39 FJM to hunt boar or maybe even a deer. Effective? Not so Effective?

Mrgunsngear · September 24, 2012, 06:03 PM

It would be very effective on deer as it would on two legged intruders. However, there likely are better performers. A lot of hunters like the S&B soft points for instance.

scottd913 · September 26, 2012, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Anyone know if the current crop of Tula-based ammo is steel core or lead core?

i have a closet full and they are steel / copper jackets...

chris in va · September 26, 2012, 01:32 AM

It's a lead core with thin steel jacket and copper wash.

Sweet Shooter · September 26, 2012, 02:37 AM

All are open base, mild steel bullets. Even the HP and PSP are open base, not cup and core. I have changed my opinion of these cheep steel clad rounds. The copper washed steel is softer than some "copper" bullets. I have a spring-loaded center punch that shows this in an obvious way.

My favorite is Herter's SP 154 gr. All of the imported stuff I have tried are .311 dia and fits the 7.62 bore proper. The American stuff is .310 or (cringe!) .309 and not as accurate.

Sorry lost the plot there... yes absolutely a "man stopper"... I'm going to use mine on antlerless Elk this year.
-SS-

September 20, 2012, 10:34 AM	#1
cajun47 Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: swamp people Posts: 539	7.62x39mm fmj(russian ammo) a good man stopper? or should i be buying soft points for sd?

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Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	It really depends. Which Russian ammo are you talking about? That said, the nastiest 7.62x39 round I know of is Hornady's SST.... __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

September 20, 2012, 12:51 PM	#4
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	Johnny Jihad is using a lot of 7N6 5.45 these days. Here's some gel tests of the 7.62x39 SST round: Gel tests __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

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481 Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2011 Posts: 540	Both will do the job. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19885 __________________ QUANTITATIVE AMMUNITION SELECTION

September 23, 2012, 04:31 AM	#8
Departed402 Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2009 Location: Midwest Posts: 884	Unfortunately, the Vietman War Memorial Wall in D.C. is pretty long. Granted, a fair share were probably IEDs and traps, but I'm sure many American GIs fell to the AK or SKS. __________________ Slow is Smooth. Smooth is Fast.

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TheGunGuy Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2012 Posts: 102	Uhh... Seeing as how Johnny Jihad is using comblock steel-cased fmj with pretty good success in their AKs... Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

September 20, 2012, 03:52 PM	#6
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	Anyone know if the current crop of Tula-based ammo is steel core or lead core?

September 22, 2012, 06:29 AM	#7
Lloyd Smale Junior member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Posts: 822	theres sure alot of soldiers sitting up there with God that will attest to its effectiveness.

September 23, 2012, 06:40 PM	#9
wnycollector Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2007 Posts: 1,996	Here is an interesting thread about new production 7.62x39 ammo with the 8m3 Sapsan bullet.

September 24, 2012, 01:34 PM	#10
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,308	touchy I hate to even start down this path. So up front, all praise to our military and our allies in all past history and present. So......seems like I read where in WWII, a high percentage of casualties were fragmentation related. Nam was different, many more projectile/bullet wounds percentage wise. Likely near all x39mm fmj. God rest them all and comfort their families. Let us always honor and not forget.

September 24, 2012, 03:07 PM	#11
Mr Budha Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2012 Location: South Florida Posts: 115	I know it's somewhat off topic but let's say all you had was some Brown Bear 7.62x39 FJM to hunt boar or maybe even a deer. Effective? Not so Effective?

September 24, 2012, 06:03 PM	#12
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	It would be very effective on deer as it would on two legged intruders. However, there likely are better performers. A lot of hunters like the S&B soft points for instance. __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

September 26, 2012, 01:32 AM	#14
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	It's a lead core with thin steel jacket and copper wash.

September 26, 2012, 02:37 AM	#15
Sweet Shooter Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2011 Posts: 672	All are open base, mild steel bullets. Even the HP and PSP are open base, not cup and core. I have changed my opinion of these cheep steel clad rounds. The copper washed steel is softer than some "copper" bullets. I have a spring-loaded center punch that shows this in an obvious way. My favorite is Herter's SP 154 gr. All of the imported stuff I have tried are .311 dia and fits the 7.62 bore proper. The American stuff is .310 or (cringe!) .309 and not as accurate. Sorry lost the plot there... yes absolutely a "man stopper"... I'm going to use mine on antlerless Elk this year. -SS-