Clerk shoots robber/baby snatcher

sigcurious · October 19, 2011, 01:24 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44961029.../#.Tp8Rzpwu5UM

"As he fled the store, he tried to grab the baby, but couldn't get her loose from the stroller straps. When he began carrying it out, Easterly, as she had learned in a training course, shot the man once in his knee."

I could only imagine the panic that would set in seeing your child snatched by a BG, certainly speaks to having training to fall back on in a high stress situation. I am very curious to see how this all plays out and what additional information is released with time.

CWKahrFan · October 19, 2011, 01:53 PM

Wow... Died from a knee-shot... Must've opened a big vein/artery... Mysterious ways...

sigcurious · October 19, 2011, 02:02 PM

I was thinking the same thing, but who knows if it was actually the knee or higher up. Either way an amazing shot under stress.

Brian Pfleuger · October 19, 2011, 02:02 PM

What kind of class taught her to shoot someone in the knee!?

I mean, situationally dependent, but they cover that in a course? "If someone steals yer baby, here's what you do..."

CWKahrFan · October 19, 2011, 02:16 PM

Maybe John Conner taught her course...

Don H · October 19, 2011, 02:32 PM

Quote:

As he fled the store, he tried to grab the baby, but couldn't get her loose from the stroller straps. When he began carrying it out, Easterly, as she had learned in a training course, shot the man once in his knee.

http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...atc-ar-273038/

If he was carrying the baby anywhere near his chest, the leg shot would probably have been the safest one (for the baby) she could have taken. Perhaps her training course emphasized taking the safest shot to stop the perpetrator. I imagine, if he was pushing the stroller out the door in a normal fashion, she would have aimed higher but that's just an assumption.

OkieGentleman · October 20, 2011, 09:13 PM

Good for her! I hope she walks away clean from this, protecting her child should justify any shooting.

Red Dog · October 20, 2011, 09:43 PM

Maybe the knee was completely exposed and would endanger the baby.

Casimer · October 20, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote:

What kind of class taught her to shoot someone in the knee!?

They teach that in the "So you want to own a convenience store" class.

Nice shot placement by the mom. I suspect that Don H is right, and that she'd taken the safest shot that she saw available in order to stop him from leaving the store with her baby.

chris in va · October 23, 2011, 10:06 AM

What is it with Florida? Seems a rather large percentage of SD stories come from that state. Is it really that bad?

hardworker · October 23, 2011, 10:18 AM

There's also the possibility that in her adrenaline rush, she just happened to hit him in the knee. Pistols shoot low if you jerk the trigger.

war_elephant · October 23, 2011, 12:35 PM

There are major arteries that go through the knee, hit one right, and the bg will bleed out quickly, major junction in lower leg, veins, arteries, blood vessels, and even if he survives, he wont run from a crime scene again when some idiot liberal judge lets him out on bail.

birdshot · October 23, 2011, 01:28 PM

Center mass does not always mean chest.

Ditto_95 · October 23, 2011, 05:05 PM

Our buddy we call shakey shot a perp in the leg. He told us he was shooting for his shoulder.
He was shaking so bad, he put the pistol against the door jam and let fly.
The perp left, later arrested and jailed.

grubbylabs · October 23, 2011, 05:28 PM

I feel bad for the mom. Not every one is hard wired to deal with shooting someone. And it is a heavy thing to take a life. I am glad that she was able to protect herself and save her baby. I hope she recovers and is able to get back into the swing of things.

However, I think I would have been so ****** I would have shot him again getting my kid back. I can tolerate a lot, but don't mess with my kids. Money and or objects can be replaced, that is what insurance is for. But my family is off-limits.

C0untZer0 · October 23, 2011, 06:08 PM

I still don't understand what he died from, unless she totally tore out all the blood vessels going to the lower leg and he bled to death, but that's one hell of a shot - more like a shotgun wound than a handgun bullet.

It doesn't say what she shot him with.

MLeake · October 23, 2011, 06:47 PM

Could have been a hit to the femoral artery.

Could have been a hit to the bottom end of the femur, which shot bone splinters through a bunch of blood vessels, possibly including the femoral artery.

Could have been an air bubble got into a ruptured vein, and caused fatal problems downstream.

Any number of things can happen when a foreign object is propelled into the body. Bear in mind, the gunshot itself is considered lethal force, regardless of where on the body the shot was aimed. There's good reason for that.

jimpeel · October 24, 2011, 01:10 AM

The story I read stated that he tried to wheel the stroller out the door and she put him down. A knee shot would have meant that the round went past the baby's head if it was still in the stroller. If he did pick the stroller up and she did shoot him in the knee then she must have blown out a femoral artery and he bled out.

youngunz4life · October 24, 2011, 03:08 AM

yeah leg shots can be bad. remember that washington redskins player a few years back(sean taylor)? A legwound turned fatal for a young man in great shape:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313041,00.html

story doesn't reveal as much as I remember because it focuses on his fame+mourning a little more...I couldn't find the scientific article

GM2 · October 24, 2011, 04:13 AM

what happened here is called "poetic justice". Good job Mom!

youngunz4life · October 24, 2011, 04:31 AM

I agree GM2. This might have tried to spare this BG(only speculation), but a decision might have been made instead in the larger, overall picture that this wasn't going to happen.

Brit · October 24, 2011, 05:13 AM

I think the many shooting of Bad Guys here in Florida? We have a CCW ability, we have the Castle Doctrine law. And even without a CCWL, a gun in your business needs no license. Or in your car.

Did you see the reference to the high counter? I bet she floated over that! Gun in hand! Taking a Mothers Baby, he must be mental. He is dead! we will never know, Aye.

The investigation is ongoing? Sure it is, the gun has most likely been returned, cleaned, and a box of Ammunition with it!

youngunz4life · October 24, 2011, 05:52 AM

from what I understand - and I am not even referring to the fact that she shot and killed a person - this woman has been greatly effected to say the least with what happened with her baby. I heard she is still in shock about the baby part.

C0untZer0 · October 24, 2011, 06:09 AM

I think this story would have made the news no matter where it happened - Florida, California, Texas - wherever. A mom killing a bay snatcher is a great story.

You seldom hear stories about stores being robbed in Chicago because all of the merchants in bad areas have already given up on the notion of the police protecting them or of being able to protect themselves. So they spend thousands of dollars enclosing cash register area in bullet-proof glass. In some cases, stores have their merchandise under plexiglass.

Apart from those stores - which don't really get robbed, regular stores getting robbed is pretty routine. Once things get routine, they're hardly newsworthy any more. A ot of stores get robbed in the Chicagoland area every day, it doesn't make national news, it hardly even makes local news. They do get put on the crime blotter but that's about it.

If Illinois passes carry legislation, I think you will hear more stories coming out of Illinois about citizens wounding and or killing criminals as they exercise their constitutional rights to protect themselves.

C0untZer0 · October 24, 2011, 06:13 AM

One thing they said in the Sean Taylor story is:

Quote:

Trauma experts said a serious wound to this large artery, leading from the abdomen through the upper thigh, is among the most difficult to fix and can quickly drain the body of blood. Too long a blood loss prevents oxygen from reaching the brain and vital organs.

Maybe she didn't hit this guy in the knee. News reporters are so stupid sometimes, they hardly ever get anything right.

October 19, 2011, 01:24 PM	#1
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	Clerk shoots robber/baby snatcher http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44961029.../#.Tp8Rzpwu5UM "As he fled the store, he tried to grab the baby, but couldn't get her loose from the stroller straps. When he began carrying it out, Easterly, as she had learned in a training course, shot the man once in his knee." I could only imagine the panic that would set in seeing your child snatched by a BG, certainly speaks to having training to fall back on in a high stress situation. I am very curious to see how this all plays out and what additional information is released with time.

October 19, 2011, 01:53 PM	#2
CWKahrFan Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2010 Posts: 2,016	Wow... Died from a knee-shot... Must've opened a big vein/artery... Mysterious ways... __________________ What did Mrs. Bullet say to Mr. Bullet? ... "We're having a BeeBee!"... IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT!... IF THE GUN FITS, SHOOT IT! "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."

October 19, 2011, 02:16 PM	#5
CWKahrFan Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2010 Posts: 2,016	Maybe John Conner taught her course... __________________ What did Mrs. Bullet say to Mr. Bullet? ... "We're having a BeeBee!"... IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT!... IF THE GUN FITS, SHOOT IT! "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."

October 20, 2011, 09:13 PM	#7
OkieGentleman Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 1999 Location: OKC Metro Posts: 521	Knee Shot Good for her! I hope she walks away clean from this, protecting her child should justify any shooting.

October 23, 2011, 12:35 PM	#12
war_elephant Member Join Date: June 29, 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 70	There are major arteries that go through the knee, hit one right, and the bg will bleed out quickly, major junction in lower leg, veins, arteries, blood vessels, and even if he survives, he wont run from a crime scene again when some idiot liberal judge lets him out on bail. __________________ Marine, Retired LEO, Firearms Instructor, Life Member NRA Tea Party Member, and general all around trouble maker.

October 19, 2011, 02:02 PM	#3
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	I was thinking the same thing, but who knows if it was actually the knee or higher up. Either way an amazing shot under stress.

October 19, 2011, 02:02 PM	#4
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	What kind of class taught her to shoot someone in the knee!? I mean, situationally dependent, but they cover that in a course? "If someone steals yer baby, here's what you do..."

October 20, 2011, 09:43 PM	#8
Red Dog Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Posts: 217	Maybe the knee was completely exposed and would endanger the baby.

October 23, 2011, 10:06 AM	#10
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	What is it with Florida? Seems a rather large percentage of SD stories come from that state. Is it really that bad?

October 23, 2011, 10:18 AM	#11
hardworker Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 820	There's also the possibility that in her adrenaline rush, she just happened to hit him in the knee. Pistols shoot low if you jerk the trigger.

October 23, 2011, 01:28 PM	#13
birdshot Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2008 Location: north platte nebraska Posts: 344	center mass Center mass does not always mean chest.

October 23, 2011, 05:05 PM	#14
Ditto_95 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2007 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 154	Our buddy we call shakey shot a perp in the leg. He told us he was shooting for his shoulder. He was shaking so bad, he put the pistol against the door jam and let fly. The perp left, later arrested and jailed. __________________ Finem Respice Consider the end Principils Obsta Resist the beginings

October 23, 2011, 05:28 PM	#15
grubbylabs Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Hansen Idaho Posts: 1,465	I feel bad for the mom. Not every one is hard wired to deal with shooting someone. And it is a heavy thing to take a life. I am glad that she was able to protect herself and save her baby. I hope she recovers and is able to get back into the swing of things. However, I think I would have been so ****** I would have shot him again getting my kid back. I can tolerate a lot, but don't mess with my kids. Money and or objects can be replaced, that is what insurance is for. But my family is off-limits. __________________ * (Swinging club) Whack! whack! whack! * Nope, the old nag's still dead . (Capt Charlie)

October 23, 2011, 06:08 PM	#16
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I still don't understand what he died from, unless she totally tore out all the blood vessels going to the lower leg and he bled to death, but that's one hell of a shot - more like a shotgun wound than a handgun bullet. It doesn't say what she shot him with.

October 23, 2011, 06:47 PM	#17
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Could have been a hit to the femoral artery. Could have been a hit to the bottom end of the femur, which shot bone splinters through a bunch of blood vessels, possibly including the femoral artery. Could have been an air bubble got into a ruptured vein, and caused fatal problems downstream. Any number of things can happen when a foreign object is propelled into the body. Bear in mind, the gunshot itself is considered lethal force, regardless of where on the body the shot was aimed. There's good reason for that.

October 24, 2011, 01:10 AM	#18
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	The story I read stated that he tried to wheel the stroller out the door and she put him down. A knee shot would have meant that the round went past the baby's head if it was still in the stroller. If he did pick the stroller up and she did shoot him in the knee then she must have blown out a femoral artery and he bled out. __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

October 24, 2011, 03:08 AM	#19
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	am interested in knowing if she shot to wound or hit him in knee by accident yeah leg shots can be bad. remember that washington redskins player a few years back(sean taylor)? A legwound turned fatal for a young man in great shape: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313041,00.html story doesn't reveal as much as I remember because it focuses on his fame+mourning a little more...I couldn't find the scientific article __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

October 24, 2011, 04:13 AM	#20
GM2 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2011 Location: Southeast, USA Posts: 350	what happened here is called "poetic justice". Good job Mom! __________________ Good character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.

October 24, 2011, 04:31 AM	#21
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	I agree GM2. This might have tried to spare this BG(only speculation), but a decision might have been made instead in the larger, overall picture that this wasn't going to happen. __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

October 24, 2011, 05:13 AM	#22
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Knee capping, Florida style I think the many shooting of Bad Guys here in Florida? We have a CCW ability, we have the Castle Doctrine law. And even without a CCWL, a gun in your business needs no license. Or in your car. Did you see the reference to the high counter? I bet she floated over that! Gun in hand! Taking a Mothers Baby, he must be mental. He is dead! we will never know, Aye. The investigation is ongoing? Sure it is, the gun has most likely been returned, cleaned, and a box of Ammunition with it!

October 24, 2011, 05:52 AM	#23
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	from what I understand - and I am not even referring to the fact that she shot and killed a person - this woman has been greatly effected to say the least with what happened with her baby. I heard she is still in shock about the baby part. __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

October 24, 2011, 06:09 AM	#24
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I think this story would have made the news no matter where it happened - Florida, California, Texas - wherever. A mom killing a bay snatcher is a great story. You seldom hear stories about stores being robbed in Chicago because all of the merchants in bad areas have already given up on the notion of the police protecting them or of being able to protect themselves. So they spend thousands of dollars enclosing cash register area in bullet-proof glass. In some cases, stores have their merchandise under plexiglass. Apart from those stores - which don't really get robbed, regular stores getting robbed is pretty routine. Once things get routine, they're hardly newsworthy any more. A ot of stores get robbed in the Chicagoland area every day, it doesn't make national news, it hardly even makes local news. They do get put on the crime blotter but that's about it. If Illinois passes carry legislation, I think you will hear more stories coming out of Illinois about citizens wounding and or killing criminals as they exercise their constitutional rights to protect themselves.