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Old December 12, 2010, 12:55 PM   #1
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WHAT'S THE RATIO OF CWP's IN YOUR STATE???

I was curious, after reading some of the anti-gun crap on another site, and I wondered what the libs would think if they really knew the deal. So, I looked up the numbers and did the math based on the estimated population over 21 and the # of currently active, permits in Florida.

FLORIDA = roughly 1 in 15 people, likely to be packing.

I thought about this some more and got a little chuckle from this.

Average convenience store = 1 or more people carrying.
Average restaurant = 3 or more people carrying.
Average grocery store = 10 or more people carrying.
Average theater = 20 or more people carrying.
Average mall = 65 or more people carrying.
Average theme park/sporting event = 300 or more people carrying.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

What are the averages for your state?
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Old December 12, 2010, 12:58 PM   #2
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I think a lot of the people that have a CCW don't carry a lot of the time. I have nothing to base this on, but I wouldn't be surprised if over half of the CCW holders only carry on occasion.
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Old December 12, 2010, 01:06 PM   #3
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In Rhode Island, we have approximately 125 town issued permits for 39 towns (I've got one of these). We have another 4700 attorney general issued permits, as of 2006. They are both valid but the AG permit allows open carry (but not in any practical sense) and the town permit excuses you from the 7 day waiting period. In a state with approximately 1,050,000 people, that means about 0.5% of the total population even has a CCW- nevermind if they are exercising the right...

So to put it in your terms, 1 in 200 people has a permit.
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Old December 12, 2010, 01:18 PM   #4
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I think a lot of the people that have a CCW don't carry a lot of the time. I have nothing to base this on, but I wouldn't be surprised if over half of the CCW holders only carry on occasion.
This. I'd guess only about 25% of those with a CCW actually carry regularly.

In NC, I think around 3 to 5% of the population as a CCW, so that probably means only 1% actually carry.
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Old December 12, 2010, 01:24 PM   #5
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Personally, I find these 'from the hip' stats, appalling.

It's like people that don't wear their seatbelt, when they're just running up town...When a statistical majority of traffic accidents happen within 2 miles of your home.

If you don't exercise your rights, you may not have them much longer...
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Old December 12, 2010, 01:57 PM   #6
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Last time I heard here in Texas it was less than 1% of the population. Now that is still a large number compared to the population. I know of several CHL holders that do not carry full time. For me if I am not at work I am probably carrying. (Note I do not carry at work. It is against company policy to even have a pocket knife in your car, much less a fire arm.)
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Old December 12, 2010, 03:16 PM   #7
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I would carry more if possible. Unfortunately due to the nature of my work there is no way (work in hospitals and fly every other day). I keep it in my car at best, but I'm rarely around my car...

I guess I'm as much of a statistic as my senior prom date.
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Old December 12, 2010, 03:25 PM   #8
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A CHL instructor in TX told me that the CHL instructor organization estimated that 80% of folks with CHL don't carry. They just got the CHL to carry in the car. With the new law about car carry, that might drop the number of CHLs.

So actual carry can't be determined by number of permits.

BTW, just to carry in the car is foolish. We got the TX law as Dr. Gratia-Hupp watched her family die because her gun was in the car!
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Old December 12, 2010, 03:48 PM   #9
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A CHL instructor in TX told me that the CHL instructor organization estimated that 80% of folks with CHL don't carry.
Interesting statistic.

What makes it interesting is that I've attended a couple of seminars where it was discussed that there's reportedly some statistics that indicate that perhaps only 20% of active LE carry weapons off-duty.
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Old December 12, 2010, 04:24 PM   #10
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can't tell here

No license (illegally) required.
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Old December 12, 2010, 04:25 PM   #11
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I'm not sure what the statistics are for Mississippi, but I do know that in the church I'm a part of (~200 members) there are three of us that I know of that have permits and carry on a regular basis. Not really scientific, but it's something

I carry everywhere that's legal, and occasionally places that are posted, depending on what it is and how long I'm there. Having a permit won't do any good if I don't act on it.
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Old December 12, 2010, 04:42 PM   #12
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i carry everywhere i can, except church. i feel that if someone is coming to rob a church, they are going to "get their's" before i could do anything.

but there are 195k valid ccw permits, and a population of 9.3M...

so it works out to ~1 in 50 are carrying, or at least able to legally. unless ive done the math wrong.
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Old December 12, 2010, 04:53 PM   #13
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The risk in church is not being robbed but a nut trying to speed your journey to the Great Beyond.

About car carry, I heard a local preacher on the radio say that if you don't contribute your car will blow up as you leave (not kidding). Some guy gets up and yells : That happened to me.

Take that into account if you leave your gun in the car. You can't make this stuff up.
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Old December 12, 2010, 05:17 PM   #14
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FLORIDA = roughly 1 in 15 people, likely to be packing.
I'm guessing that this is high for Fl. as there are many issues of our license to out of state persons........................ck
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Old December 12, 2010, 07:18 PM   #15
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Now if you consider the number of folks who are criminals and those not obeying concealed carry laws, you might reach the percentage or ratio of people packing. There might even be a much higher number.
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Old December 12, 2010, 08:27 PM   #16
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I have no idea about % of carry here in Az., as you do not need a permit to CC, but permits are available yet. The last figure that I saw was 158,000+ permits had been issued.

edited for typo. 158,000 not 58,000

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Old December 12, 2010, 09:37 PM   #17
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az population 2009 6.5million, 161k known carrying, how many unknown??.
Statistics - Concealed Weapons & Permits
These numbers reflect all transactions and the current status of permits, instructor certifications and training organizations since the inception of the CCW program in Arizona on September 8, 1994. Please note, these numbers do not reflect changes, such as a permit that was suspended and later reinstated.


Current Arizona Statistics
Statistics Last Updated: 12/12/2010 7:04:56 AM


Active Suspended Revoked
Permits 161329 2125 1070
Instructors 1540 570 28
Organizations 698 201 13

Instructors 21-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
Female 5 13 30 48 28 9 0
Asian 0 0 0 2 0 0 0
Black 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Indian 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Unknown 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
White 5 13 30 46 28 9 0

Instructors 21-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
Male 28 246 423 562 528 180 34
Asian 1 7 15 20 2 0 0
Black 0 5 9 13 4 1 0
Indian 1 4 3 4 11 0 0
Unknown 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
White 26 230 396 525 511 179 34

Permits 21-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
Female 2903 5085 7068 9473 7837 2195 229
Asian 82 202 138 118 41 9 2
Black 54 125 133 115 65 15 0
Indian 36 65 82 77 72 13 4
Unknown 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
White 2731 4693 6715 9163 7658 2158 223

Permits 21-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
Male 13115 20813 22540 26890 29855 14568 3170
Asian 298 622 571 439 200 74 10
Black 339 764 703 574 375 163 17
Indian 182 195 237 239 200 115 24
Unknown 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
White 12296 19232 21029 25638 29080 14216 3119


County: Organizations Instructors Permits
Apache 11 16 1035
Cochise 44 75 6749
Coconino 21 47 3233
Gila 10 25 2463
Graham 6 6 694
Greenlee 1 3 212
Maricopa 471 1038 84658
Mohave 43 77 9039
Navajo 18 27 3365
Pima 149 346 26379
Pinal 53 88 7868
Santa Cruz 3 10 754
Yavapai 59 157 9824
Yuma 12 39 3683
La Paz 4 9 564
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Old December 12, 2010, 09:40 PM   #18
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I was thinking Missouri was something like 110,000 or so - really a low number overall. But you have to take the class, and typically pay a fair amount to get it.
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Old December 12, 2010, 10:07 PM   #19
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It's a very low number in Colorado, and I shudder to think what percentage of permit holders don't trouble themselves to keep and bear arms.

I do my part to make up for their carelessness by always carrying.
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Old December 12, 2010, 10:16 PM   #20
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The only thing you know for sure is how many permits are outstanding.

The rest is just speculation.
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Old December 12, 2010, 10:21 PM   #21
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About 110,000 in Missouri

If that figure is correct for Missouri issued permits, it is just less than 2% of the state's population.

You are correct about the class being required and the permit fee being a bit pricey. For those reasons, I know a number of Missourians who have opted to obtain non-resident permits through Utah and Florida, so I'm guessing that there are a lot more permitees than what the state's number may indicate.

I know in the CCW class I attended, probably 1/3 of the class were getting Utah or Florida non-resident permits because of the cheaper permit fee.

Concerning the OP's stats for # of people carrying in a "average" place. You have to leave off the sporting events (with over 5000 attendees) because those places are prohibited carry locations under Missouri's law.
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Old December 12, 2010, 10:32 PM   #22
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TBH not really sure, I know that every horse farmer and they're family and hands carry around here, so its just my observation.
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Old December 12, 2010, 10:33 PM   #23
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I think it's around 8-10% for adult population in AL - higher numbers in rural counties of course. I'm going to guess that the percentage of guns kept in cars and trucks here is way higher than that, and that the percentage of people actually carrying on body is much smaller, but still sizable.
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Old December 13, 2010, 01:00 AM   #24
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2009 Stats for TX indicate about 402,000 CHL holders.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...dInstr2009.pdf

2009 population for TX is about 24.9 million.

That works out to about 1.6%. In TX, about 16 people in 1000 hold a CHL.

My guess is that less than half of those carry at all (other than in the car) and maybe 1 in 10 carries any time they can.

Assuming I'm close on my guesses that would say that maybe 2 or 3 people out of 1000 in TX are likely to have a CHL and be carrying a gun on their persons at any given time.

On the other hand, my suspicion is that a LOT of people in TX have guns in their cars, especially now that you don't need a permit to have a gun in the car.
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Old December 13, 2010, 05:46 PM   #25
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PA was about 1 in 20 last I looked it up. Very easy and cheap to get a permit here. It's sad how the number of full time carriers is so low in comparison however. I carry wherever legal, and wish other CWP holders did the same. In your car is better than nothing (unless your car gets broken into), but vastly inferior to on your person.
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