moving from nyc to pennsylvania

GLOCK-21 · September 27, 2014, 01:26 AM

Hi ladies and gentlemen: I have a question maybe someone will be able to help me out. I live in nyc and I have a valid premise handgun license with a couple of handguns on it and also have a rifle/shotgun license also have couple rifles and shotguns. Now I am planning to move to Pennsylvania in a couple of months I know once I become PA resident I don't need a pistol license unless I am planning to conceal carry but what do I need to do here in nyc do I have to notify 1 police plaza that I am moving or just head over to PA with my firearms. I would really appreciate your help thanks.

mete · September 27, 2014, 04:51 AM

I don't know the legalities but I would , when I establish legal residence in PA, take all my guns to PA , then tell NYC. In any case once you establish PA residence you're NYC permit is no longer valid.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 27, 2014, 07:42 AM

Three additional reasons to get a PA license to carry firearms (LTCF) as soon as possible:

PA allows unlicensed open carry, but only outside your vehicle. Each time you get into your car, you'll have to unload and store the weapon and ammo.
Philadelphia does not allow unlicensed open carry. If you may ever be in Philadelphia with a sidearm, you need the license.
The open carry law does not offer you any relief from the GFSZA (Gun Free School Zone Act). To be able to carry within a school zone you need a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located.

As far as PA is concerned, just haul your firearms to PA and close the door on the safe. PA does not have registration (although the state police maintain a database of all sales that have gone through FFLs, the courts in PA have ruled that it isn't a complete record and therefore it is not a "registration."

Dunno about NYC. I doubt there's any law saying you can't remove your firearms from NYC. Once that has been accomplished, I suppose you would notify whatever agency issues the permits that you have moved, and they'll cancel your permit.

Now would be a good time to join PAFOA ( http://forum.pafoa.org/ ).

UncleEd · September 27, 2014, 02:41 PM

Glock 21,

As repressive as NYC may be, I still don't think police man the exit roads demanding, "Let me see your papers."

Pack and go.

T. O'Heir · September 28, 2014, 03:09 PM

"...do I have to notify 1 police plaza..." Very much doubt you need their permission to move. Kind of suspect they'll be happy to see a firearm owner go elsewhere.

ammo.crafter · September 28, 2014, 04:16 PM

I'll be moving to PA from NJ shortly and see no reason to notify police of same. You will be out of their jurisdiction/control and would have no obligation to them once your residence is not NY. Why look for problems? Enjoy PA!

Nickel Plated · September 28, 2014, 10:25 PM

Technically you are supposed to notify the NYPD whenever you change addresses for the purpose of your license. But if you're moving out of the city and are no longer in their jurisdiction and not subject to their rules, I wouldn't bother.

They have known everything about you and your guns up to this point which is bad enough. No need to inform them any further. Just let the license expire, and try to imagine the confused look on the cop's faces when they got to your old house to confiscate your guns.

Maybe let the new residents there know that they should expect a visit from the NYPD in a couple of years.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 29, 2014, 08:30 AM

Since an NYC premises permit would be useless in PA anyway, why not just mail it in to the NYPD with a note informing them that you have moved outside of NY state and wish to cancel the permit. No need to provide a new address. Don't mail it from PA -- drop it in a mail box on your last day in NYC.

JWT · September 29, 2014, 08:40 AM

Congratulations! Great move!

edfrompa · September 29, 2014, 06:42 PM

I moved from Jersey 40+ years ago, never looked back. It was the best move I ever made!!

SauerGrapes · September 29, 2014, 08:13 PM

Come on over, the waters warm, the shooting is great. When you get your Pa DL, head to your county sheriff's office and get your ''LTCF''. Well worth the 20 some bucks for a 5 year license.

I wouldn't tell those jack wads in NY anything, just pack up and move.

Jack O'Conner · September 30, 2014, 06:26 PM

The very BEST deer hunting in Pennsylvania is during archery season.

Jack

GLOCK-21 · October 3, 2014, 08:35 PM

Thanks guys I really appreciate your help.

G_P · October 3, 2014, 10:32 PM

If you mail the permit back, cut it in half or quarters first. No need to risk someone getting a hold of your permit and attempting to use it for nefarious purposes.

September 27, 2014, 01:26 AM	#1
GLOCK-21 Junior Member Join Date: April 5, 2013 Posts: 8	moving from nyc to pennsylvania Hi ladies and gentlemen: I have a question maybe someone will be able to help me out. I live in nyc and I have a valid premise handgun license with a couple of handguns on it and also have a rifle/shotgun license also have couple rifles and shotguns. Now I am planning to move to Pennsylvania in a couple of months I know once I become PA resident I don't need a pistol license unless I am planning to conceal carry but what do I need to do here in nyc do I have to notify 1 police plaza that I am moving or just head over to PA with my firearms. I would really appreciate your help thanks.

September 27, 2014, 04:51 AM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	I don't know the legalities but I would , when I establish legal residence in PA, take all my guns to PA , then tell NYC. In any case once you establish PA residence you're NYC permit is no longer valid. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

September 27, 2014, 07:42 AM	#3
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,459	Three additional reasons to get a PA license to carry firearms (LTCF) as soon as possible: PA allows unlicensed open carry, but only outside your vehicle. Each time you get into your car, you'll have to unload and store the weapon and ammo. Philadelphia does not allow unlicensed open carry. If you may ever be in Philadelphia with a sidearm, you need the license. The open carry law does not offer you any relief from the GFSZA (Gun Free School Zone Act). To be able to carry within a school zone you need a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located. As far as PA is concerned, just haul your firearms to PA and close the door on the safe. PA does not have registration (although the state police maintain a database of all sales that have gone through FFLs, the courts in PA have ruled that it isn't a complete record and therefore it is not a "registration." Dunno about NYC. I doubt there's any law saying you can't remove your firearms from NYC. Once that has been accomplished, I suppose you would notify whatever agency issues the permits that you have moved, and they'll cancel your permit. Now would be a good time to join PAFOA ( http://forum.pafoa.org/ ).

September 28, 2014, 03:09 PM	#5
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...do I have to notify 1 police plaza..." Very much doubt you need their permission to move. Kind of suspect they'll be happy to see a firearm owner go elsewhere. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

September 28, 2014, 04:16 PM	#6
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Me, too. I'll be moving to PA from NJ shortly and see no reason to notify police of same. You will be out of their jurisdiction/control and would have no obligation to them once your residence is not NY. Why look for problems? Enjoy PA! __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

September 27, 2014, 02:41 PM	#4
UncleEd Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2013 Location: N. Georgia Posts: 1,150	Glock 21, As repressive as NYC may be, I still don't think police man the exit roads demanding, "Let me see your papers." Pack and go.

September 28, 2014, 10:25 PM	#7
Nickel Plated Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 610	Technically you are supposed to notify the NYPD whenever you change addresses for the purpose of your license. But if you're moving out of the city and are no longer in their jurisdiction and not subject to their rules, I wouldn't bother. They have known everything about you and your guns up to this point which is bad enough. No need to inform them any further. Just let the license expire, and try to imagine the confused look on the cop's faces when they got to your old house to confiscate your guns. Maybe let the new residents there know that they should expect a visit from the NYPD in a couple of years.

September 29, 2014, 08:30 AM	#8
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,459	Since an NYC premises permit would be useless in PA anyway, why not just mail it in to the NYPD with a note informing them that you have moved outside of NY state and wish to cancel the permit. No need to provide a new address. Don't mail it from PA -- drop it in a mail box on your last day in NYC.

September 29, 2014, 08:40 AM	#9
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Congratulations! Great move!

September 29, 2014, 06:42 PM	#10
edfrompa Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 1999 Posts: 335	I moved from Jersey 40+ years ago, never looked back. It was the best move I ever made!!

September 29, 2014, 08:13 PM	#11
SauerGrapes Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: S.E.PA. Posts: 920	Come on over, the waters warm, the shooting is great. When you get your Pa DL, head to your county sheriff's office and get your ''LTCF''. Well worth the 20 some bucks for a 5 year license. I wouldn't tell those jack wads in NY anything, just pack up and move. __________________ NRA member, DCF&S member, PAFOA member, USPSA member, NSCA member R.I.P.____Murphy

September 30, 2014, 06:26 PM	#12
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	The very BEST deer hunting in Pennsylvania is during archery season. Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.

October 3, 2014, 08:35 PM	#13
GLOCK-21 Junior Member Join Date: April 5, 2013 Posts: 8	THANKS. Thanks guys I really appreciate your help.

October 3, 2014, 10:32 PM	#14
G_P Member Join Date: January 4, 2014 Posts: 45	If you mail the permit back, cut it in half or quarters first. No need to risk someone getting a hold of your permit and attempting to use it for nefarious purposes.