Problem with a Llama 111a

dsv424 · November 5, 2009, 11:29 PM

A friend of mine gave me his gun to fix. Don't know what I got myself into,

but he said his son took it apart for one reason or another and then lost some pieces when he got around to re-assembling it. So before I could even begin to check it out I had to find a slide stop, recoil spring, slide stop guide, and barrel bushing. So I have already invested $75.00 in this gun.
Well now after cleaning years of gunk out of it and re-assembling it with the parts I found I have another problem.

I noticed when I mounted the slide on the frame I could not pull the slide all the way back, in fact I had to use a rubber mallet so I could pound it back and forth on the guides. For about 2 hours I worked it back and forth and cleaned the slide grooves as best I could so now it is hanging slightly. So now when the gun is fully assembled and I pull the slide back I have to sometimes tap it forward so the chamber closes.

My question is can I file the slide grooves slightly without damaging anything, because I think this is where my problem lies? Or could it be something worse like a bent frame.

Thx for any advise.

mega twin · November 6, 2009, 07:46 AM

I'd lay a straight edge on the frame and slide rails to see if it were bent,before I started filing on the thing.
Could it be that boy wanted to be a 1911 guru and did his own slide tightening?

10-96 · November 7, 2009, 06:52 AM

Does it hang up when only the slide and frame are assembled? What happens when you slide it back and forth without the newly acquired guts? Also I wonders about the bbl link, bushing, and general bbl fitting.

dsv424 · November 7, 2009, 07:20 PM

It would hang and be very stiff with just the slide and frame. Since my first post I have cleaned the grooves in the frame and the slide and have worked it back and forth probably 1,000 times. It is getting a lot more easier to slide but it is still a bit stiff. I think if I keep working it I might be able to make it smooth again. I have a funny feeling that this gun has been ignored for a few years! Can't get the whole story from the son.

10-96 · November 9, 2009, 12:26 PM

Unless it's been in a car wreck, vice, or a slide tool- slides gen'erly don't grow shut over time or with lots of shooting. If you're adventuresome- you might check Brownells for a tool made for just a situation.

OK, never mind- I just went there and couldn't find it. But, you might cut a thing strip or two of aluminum can to lay inside the grooves and then use a soft face or dead blow hammer to tap the slide on and off.

November 5, 2009, 11:29 PM	#1
dsv424 Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2008 Location: Dallas, Tx. Posts: 266	Problem with a Llama 111a A friend of mine gave me his gun to fix. Don't know what I got myself into, but he said his son took it apart for one reason or another and then lost some pieces when he got around to re-assembling it. So before I could even begin to check it out I had to find a slide stop, recoil spring, slide stop guide, and barrel bushing. So I have already invested $75.00 in this gun. Well now after cleaning years of gunk out of it and re-assembling it with the parts I found I have another problem. I noticed when I mounted the slide on the frame I could not pull the slide all the way back, in fact I had to use a rubber mallet so I could pound it back and forth on the guides. For about 2 hours I worked it back and forth and cleaned the slide grooves as best I could so now it is hanging slightly. So now when the gun is fully assembled and I pull the slide back I have to sometimes tap it forward so the chamber closes. My question is can I file the slide grooves slightly without damaging anything, because I think this is where my problem lies? Or could it be something worse like a bent frame. Thx for any advise.

November 7, 2009, 06:52 AM	#3
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,159	Does it hang up when only the slide and frame are assembled? What happens when you slide it back and forth without the newly acquired guts? Also I wonders about the bbl link, bushing, and general bbl fitting. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

November 9, 2009, 12:26 PM	#5
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,159	Unless it's been in a car wreck, vice, or a slide tool- slides gen'erly don't grow shut over time or with lots of shooting. If you're adventuresome- you might check Brownells for a tool made for just a situation. OK, never mind- I just went there and couldn't find it. But, you might cut a thing strip or two of aluminum can to lay inside the grooves and then use a soft face or dead blow hammer to tap the slide on and off. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

November 6, 2009, 07:46 AM	#2
mega twin Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2006 Posts: 434	I'd lay a straight edge on the frame and slide rails to see if it were bent,before I started filing on the thing. Could it be that boy wanted to be a 1911 guru and did his own slide tightening?

November 7, 2009, 07:20 PM	#4
dsv424 Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2008 Location: Dallas, Tx. Posts: 266	It would hang and be very stiff with just the slide and frame. Since my first post I have cleaned the grooves in the frame and the slide and have worked it back and forth probably 1,000 times. It is getting a lot more easier to slide but it is still a bit stiff. I think if I keep working it I might be able to make it smooth again. I have a funny feeling that this gun has been ignored for a few years! Can't get the whole story from the son.