So let's say I want a SxS...

Balog · February 9, 2010, 11:46 AM

Let's further say I want it in 12ga with double triggers, internal hammers, and ejectors. It should be able to handle modern slug and buck without problems, and would ideally have =< 24" barrels, although that's not an absolute requirement. Budget... Let's just say $500 or less (used, obviously) with less being better. Appearance means nothing: I hate engraving, will probably have the stock cut down and a recoil pad installed, and have it refinished in Duracoat (or Krylon

).

I've been looking at some of the Spanish imports, specifically AyA's. I've also heard rumours some of the older Savage/Stevens/Fox guns had ejectors?

This is for HD, so let me go ahead and request that if your only input is "But pumps holds moar shells so they're better hurr hurr derp" that you kindly keep it to yourself. I don't go pee in "What pump for HD" threads and say "But they only hold 5-9 rounds, if you don't get a Saiga you're doomed!!!" so try to restrain yourself.

Doyle · February 9, 2010, 12:45 PM

Slugs and double barreled guns don't often go together well. It's all about something called "regulation". No, not the law. Regulation is the way the barrels are joined together so that the point of impact from both barrels meets at a common place. Barrels that are properly regulated (i.e. normally high dollars) have the point of aim and point of impact of both barrels join at somewhere between 30 and 40 yds. Less properly regulated barrels might never have a common point of aim and impact. Their shot strings could actually get farther apart as you get further away from the barrel.

With shot, having a regulation problem isn't always a big deal. However, with slugs, poor regulation has a huge difference in where that slug actually goes downrange. The two barrels may shoot slugs to really different points of impact.

zippy13 · February 9, 2010, 12:46 PM

I think you'll find that ejectors may be model specific. A gun makers entry level model may have double triggers with no ejectors and the top of the line will have a single selective trigger with auto ejectors.

GrandmasterB · February 9, 2010, 12:50 PM

Look for a Stevens or Savage 311. You could get one and get the barrels cut down and still be within your budget.

Balog · February 9, 2010, 01:11 PM

GrandmasterB: so the old 311's did have ejector versions?

Doyle: I'm familiar with the concept. I don't actually plan on shooting slugs per se, I just want to know the action and barrels would handle it if I did.

oneounceload · February 9, 2010, 02:06 PM

The 311's cousin - the Savage/Fox BSE had ejectors - I have one in 20 with 26" barrels. Never shot slugs out of it (and have no intention of doing so) so I cannot answer as to how well, (or long), it will do that

GrandmasterB · February 9, 2010, 02:11 PM

Sorry about that -- most of the 311's were basic working guns with extractors. I think you will have to go up to one of the Savage/Fox guns to get ejectors, and the price and engraving will increase accordingly.

oneounceload · February 9, 2010, 02:33 PM

Mine is plain, and I have seen them running about 5-600 on the on-line sites. Mine has a vent rib, so altering length will be a little trickier

OkieCruffler · February 10, 2010, 07:00 PM

From time to time you'll find a 311 with ejectors, I've seen 2 out of the hundreds I've examined. I have one 12 with the chambers so slick honed that the shells just fly out with a quick shake. Not as fast as ejectors, but still pretty decent.

Balog · February 10, 2010, 07:44 PM

Think is, I grew up shooting a single shot 12 with an ejector, and I got pretty fast with the reloads. I just lack the confidence in extractors, honed or no. A personal thing.

OkieCruffler · February 10, 2010, 09:14 PM

No doubt their faster, wouldn't mind having a set on my main huntng gun, especially during dove season. But I'm also old and fat, I hate bending over to pick up shells.

Balog · February 11, 2010, 12:22 PM

Is there an advantage to honing the chambers on an ejector gun?

zippy13 · February 11, 2010, 02:54 PM

Balog wrote:

Is there an advantage to honing the chambers on an ejector gun?

Only if your suffering some roughness and drag-- if it ain't borke, don't fix it. There are reports of R-870 Expresses having rough chambers and difficult extraction. Polishing the chamber seems to remedy the problem.

February 9, 2010, 11:46 AM	#1
Balog Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 259	So let's say I want a SxS... Let's further say I want it in 12ga with double triggers, internal hammers, and ejectors. It should be able to handle modern slug and buck without problems, and would ideally have =< 24" barrels, although that's not an absolute requirement. Budget... Let's just say $500 or less (used, obviously) with less being better. Appearance means nothing: I hate engraving, will probably have the stock cut down and a recoil pad installed, and have it refinished in Duracoat (or Krylon ). I've been looking at some of the Spanish imports, specifically AyA's. I've also heard rumours some of the older Savage/Stevens/Fox guns had ejectors? This is for HD, so let me go ahead and request that if your only input is "But pumps holds moar shells so they're better hurr hurr derp" that you kindly keep it to yourself. I don't go pee in "What pump for HD" threads and say "But they only hold 5-9 rounds, if you don't get a Saiga you're doomed!!!" so try to restrain yourself.

February 9, 2010, 12:50 PM	#4
GrandmasterB Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2000 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 205	Look for a Stevens or Savage 311. You could get one and get the barrels cut down and still be within your budget. __________________ Romans 5:8

February 9, 2010, 02:11 PM	#7
GrandmasterB Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2000 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 205	Sorry about that -- most of the 311's were basic working guns with extractors. I think you will have to go up to one of the Savage/Fox guns to get ejectors, and the price and engraving will increase accordingly. __________________ Romans 5:8

February 10, 2010, 07:00 PM	#9
OkieCruffler Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2001 Location: Denison Texas on the banks of Texhoma Posts: 1,556	From time to time you'll find a 311 with ejectors, I've seen 2 out of the hundreds I've examined. I have one 12 with the chambers so slick honed that the shells just fly out with a quick shake. Not as fast as ejectors, but still pretty decent. __________________ John A. Monroe, Never Forgive, Never Forget, Blood Pays Blood

February 10, 2010, 09:14 PM	#11
OkieCruffler Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2001 Location: Denison Texas on the banks of Texhoma Posts: 1,556	No doubt their faster, wouldn't mind having a set on my main huntng gun, especially during dove season. But I'm also old and fat, I hate bending over to pick up shells. __________________ John A. Monroe, Never Forgive, Never Forget, Blood Pays Blood

February 9, 2010, 12:45 PM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	Slugs and double barreled guns don't often go together well. It's all about something called "regulation". No, not the law. Regulation is the way the barrels are joined together so that the point of impact from both barrels meets at a common place. Barrels that are properly regulated (i.e. normally high dollars) have the point of aim and point of impact of both barrels join at somewhere between 30 and 40 yds. Less properly regulated barrels might never have a common point of aim and impact. Their shot strings could actually get farther apart as you get further away from the barrel. With shot, having a regulation problem isn't always a big deal. However, with slugs, poor regulation has a huge difference in where that slug actually goes downrange. The two barrels may shoot slugs to really different points of impact.

February 9, 2010, 12:46 PM	#3
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	I think you'll find that ejectors may be model specific. A gun makers entry level model may have double triggers with no ejectors and the top of the line will have a single selective trigger with auto ejectors.

February 9, 2010, 01:11 PM	#5
Balog Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 259	GrandmasterB: so the old 311's did have ejector versions? Doyle: I'm familiar with the concept. I don't actually plan on shooting slugs per se, I just want to know the action and barrels would handle it if I did.

February 9, 2010, 02:06 PM	#6
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	The 311's cousin - the Savage/Fox BSE had ejectors - I have one in 20 with 26" barrels. Never shot slugs out of it (and have no intention of doing so) so I cannot answer as to how well, (or long), it will do that

February 9, 2010, 02:33 PM	#8
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Mine is plain, and I have seen them running about 5-600 on the on-line sites. Mine has a vent rib, so altering length will be a little trickier

February 10, 2010, 07:44 PM	#10
Balog Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 259	Think is, I grew up shooting a single shot 12 with an ejector, and I got pretty fast with the reloads. I just lack the confidence in extractors, honed or no. A personal thing.

February 11, 2010, 12:22 PM	#12
Balog Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 259	Is there an advantage to honing the chambers on an ejector gun?

February 11, 2010, 02:54 PM	#13
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Balog wrote: Is there an advantage to honing the chambers on an ejector gun? Only if your suffering some roughness and drag-- if it ain't borke, don't fix it. There are reports of R-870 Expresses having rough chambers and difficult extraction. Polishing the chamber seems to remedy the problem.

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