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March 15, 2008, 06:45 PM | #1 |
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Does anybody advice for loading .270,.22-250,7.62x54r,and .30-30?
I would like advice on loading .270,.22-250,7.62x54r,and .30-30 rounds.
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March 15, 2008, 06:56 PM | #2 |
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I only currently load for the .270 Win and I've had the best results with either IMR or Hogdon 4831 powder and 130 grain bullets. My rifle likes it near max load so work up until you find the best load in your rifle. I use mostly Federal, Winchester, and Remington brass along with CCI primers. Sierra bullets get the nod in my .270 as being most accurate.
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March 15, 2008, 06:58 PM | #3 |
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I almost forgot 8x57 Mauser.
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March 15, 2008, 08:18 PM | #4 |
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I'm getting a 270 Win soon. I plan to load Barnes Tipped TSX's (new bullets with great reviews) in 110 gr and possibly 130 gr. I'm also going to be shooting 130 gr bullets out of a 300 WSM, so not sure I want to duplicate. The 110 gr bullets are capable of 3400 - 3500 fps and will easily kill a deer. For an elk you probably want to avoid a shot requiring heavy bone penetration. I'm also planning on using H4350, reason being I recently found out that most powders are temperature sensetive which results in different pressure and velocities at different temps. The Hodgdon Extreme powders (and a couple others) are temperature stable. I've also heard a lot of good things about H4350 and it happens to be the powder with the best results list by Barnes in their load data for those bullets. Check out their site.
Have never used Barnes before but have read a lot of great reviews on them. I used to be a nosler guy but i like what i see and read about the Barnes bullets. In fact I've done little hunting in the last few years and haven't handloaded in 10 but am anxious to get back to it. Mark |
March 15, 2008, 08:41 PM | #5 |
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I only load for .30-30 and 7.62x54R on your list, but here's my impressions. 30-30: This was my first ever rifle cartridge and very dear to me. I own two 30-30 Win94 rifles. The first thing I rapidly learned with this cartridge is just how frail it is. Two or three years later I learned this is due to the walls being much thinner than on more modern cartridges, but the big point to take home from this is that you would be best served by seating the bullet and crimping the bullet in two separate steps. I favor Hornady 170gr flatnose bullets and IMR-4895 powder, but I have used Reloder15 and H335 in the past as well. 4895 is sold in volume and works well in my other rifles. Probably would be suitable for your .270 load, and might work for .22-250 also. I have also used Berry's 150gr flat nose plated bullets. Crimping tight enough to eliminate set-back in the tube magazine tends to bite into the plated covering, and velocity needs to be kept below ~1500fps to avoid stripping the plating right off the bullet while firing. I like to use Unique for light loads just to harrass soda cans and the like, and my loads are about 9.0gr. This is an un-published load. Consult other sources before experimenting with Unique or other fast pistol powders in rifle cartridges. My load data may not be safe in your particular environment. 7.62x54R: Very simple to reload for. I full length size my brass on this one and I use 150gr .311 PSP bullets from Prvi Partisan that I got from Graffs. My brass is either S&B, Winchester Metric, or "Graffs" (Prvi Partisan). All seem to work equally well, but I'm not shooting match grade .311 bullets from a cast receiver peasant's rifle. I have yet to use any 180gr bullets, which would really be my main reason for even hunting with the Mosin and its 7.62x54R cartridge - for situations that my M1A's .308 cannot launch a heavy bullet due to constraints of its gas system. I use IMR-4895 for this one and have yet to try any other powder. It works, and works well. The brass is very resilient for this cartridge, and much stronger than the .30-30. Crimps are not as necessary, since the cartridges are stored vertically in a box magazine rather than a tube magazine. I give a very light crimp just to avoid and casual setback that might occur from bumpy roads. |
March 19, 2008, 02:40 PM | #6 |
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.270 Win is close to Rem. 7mm Mag.
I use IMR 4350, RL19, and RL22 for both. I prefer the RL powders over the IMR powders because they work with my powder measures. But IMR is making SC (short cut) and SSC (super short cut) versions that should help. I haven't seen a SC 4350, but there is one for 4831, which would work with the heavier bullets. 130gr bullets are common. We use Hornady SST and Nosler Ballistic Tip. I think the Noslers were slightly more accurate in similar loads. For .22-250, I use 50gr V-max with 35gr H-Varget (heavy load) ~3831fps. Lot of powders work for this chambering. Varget meters really good too. My dad likes the 50gr, but I think the 55gr at ~3600fps is more common. 8x57 has been a pain. Hard to find components. Finally found some brass and bullets. 196gr and 200gr are popular bullet sizes. It is pretty similar to .30-06, although with less case capacity. I use H-Varget with it as well, but a slower powder will increase speed. We did some 150gr Sierra Pro-Hunter, but haven't shot them yet. Remington, Winchester, and Norma make brass. Some of the load data is weak to compensate for certain models of 8x57 Mauser. My brother's is a nice sporterized Mauser. It is plenty tough to handle max loads. He tricked out the barrel with nitrided coating and compensator. He has 220gr Speers as well, but not sure of the recipe he used.
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March 19, 2008, 09:22 PM | #7 |
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270: I prefer to use 130 gr bullets. The best powder for this cartridge is 4831 IMO. Hornady Spire Point bullets have been good to me.
30-30: This is the first cartridge I loaded for. Always full length size these and be careful to not use too much lube, or you may dent the shoulder. 3031 powder and 150 gr flat nose bullets are good. I prefer to not give out powder charges, , but encourage you to work up your own loads. Each rifle responds a bit differently. Never loaded for the others. |
March 19, 2008, 10:31 PM | #8 |
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.30-30: I have had very nice results using ?32grs? IMR 4350 with 170gr flats.
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March 19, 2008, 11:12 PM | #9 |
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8X57mm= 150gr -170gr Hornady bullets, IMR 4064, CCI primers, and Winchester Cases.
I've had excellent results in all my Mausers with the above combo. Never had good results with bullets weighing more than 185gr. The 200gr and 220gr bullets made by Sierra and Speer were intended for the 8mm Remington Magnum cartridge and having tried them, I had terrible results with those weights loaded in a standard 8x57 cartidge. |
March 20, 2008, 10:33 AM | #10 |
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While I prefer the Sierra handbook for its superior appendices of external ballistics, I also have Hodgdon's and Hornady's handbooks.
I load hunting cartridges to maximum performance. Otherwise, I use the starting loads for casual plinking-type shooting to help somewhat with longer barrel life. |
March 20, 2008, 12:06 PM | #11 |
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I have a fair dab of experience reloading for 7.62x54. I would highly recommend slugging your barrel as sizes are all over the map for bore size from tight .308s all the way up to .315.
I have a M44 at .312 and a 91/30 at .313. For the M44 my gun likes 180gr Sierra Pro Hunters .311 over 41.5 grains Varget. This is my "scout" rain rifle. The 91/30 cant hold jacketed bulletes at minute of beach ball to save its life. But I can get it shoot cast reasonably well. I get 5" groups at 100 yds with water quenched wheel weights using 314299 mold sized, lubed and gas checked at .314 over 17 grains of 2400. As always... these are my loads in my rifles.... your mileage may vary. If you have a generous bore sized rifle and need the larger bullets.... watch what dies you buy.... alot of dies come with the .308 expander only and seating larger bullets will get you crushed necks. I have the RCBS dies that come with both the .308 and .311 expander. |
March 20, 2008, 12:46 PM | #12 |
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.30-30 Case Length
I'm a .270 guy but that's pretty well covered here. About the .30-30: I found that trimming all cases to a uniform length was very important because of the need to crimp bullets on this cartridge. Otherwise the shortest cases get little to no crimp while the longest ones may actually bulge just slightly at the crimp and refuse to chamber.
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