First time black powder, need some info on Revolvers

Parabellium · February 18, 2005, 08:25 PM

Hi im new to this forum, and i need some info

i have been looking at some of the traditions 1851 navy and the 1858 rem
the barrel is marked FLLIPETTA ITALY one brass case and one that i guess is steel, looks like darkened brass. $130 for the brass and $150 for the dark brass are these any good and how strong is the brass?

and another one thats used and its a 1858 rem all steel except for the trigger gaurd, and its engraved under the barrel with E.N. Santa Barbara made in Spain. they are asking $150 and it seems to be in nice cond.

thanks for any info

mec · February 18, 2005, 08:51 PM

The FllPieta means they were made by the Pietta Company. Some people have good look with brass frames while others find they shoot loose fairly quickly. One poster said that he had actually bent his brass framed Remington 58 by seating a bullet too hard. This is quite feasible as the area at the bottom front of the frame has very little metal.
There are rumors that Pietta has improved their quality in recent years. This is definately the case with Uberti-another Italian replica maker.

For good information on using the caplock revolvers, see the black powder section of thehighroad.org. There is a sticky not by Gatofeo that is very detailed and useful

Gatofeo · February 18, 2005, 11:49 PM

"There is a sticky not by Gatofeo that is very detailed and useful ..."
--- Mec

Not by me? I just checked and only saw my post as a sticky in the Blackpowder section of The High Road.
There's another grumpy ol' ugly cat somewhere in the Utah desert?
You mean I have a doppelganger?
Ohhhhhhh! The horror! THE HORROR!

**4V50 Gary** · February 19, 2005, 12:04 AM

There is indeed a "sticky" thread and I was impressed enough to make it "sticky" for our members. Click here Gatefeo's thread on how to use a cap 'n ball revolver

Parabellium · February 19, 2005, 01:03 AM

Thanks for the info!
are pietta Revolvers good?

Gatofeo: im from northern utah, any shops you can suggest that are helpfull and have good prices?

Springer45 · February 19, 2005, 02:06 AM

Piettas are fine. I have an 1858 that I bought from Cabela's last summer and it's been a great piece.

Parabellium · February 19, 2005, 02:49 AM

great, tomorrow ill head down and pick it up.

also any hints on finding soft lead? i want to make my own balls.

RoyP · February 20, 2005, 07:50 AM

A cheap place to fing lead is to hit the local tire shops and see what they do with thier old wheel weights.

Ozzieman · February 20, 2005, 11:06 AM

That one I would find hard to believe if they were loading it correctly and using soft lead, I have 9 different colt repros most are
FLLIPETTA and there are problems. But there minor and usualy the small parts that make up the lock work and trigger.
But the parts are all easy to get and very easy to replace, IF I was paying 500 like a repro built by colt that would bother me but for a 120 dollar gun its nothing.
One other thing, being that there so cheep I have taught myself simple gun smithing with them.
I have one that I have had since I was 18 and IM 50 now. Its been fired so much that the bar that the cylinder rotates on has a small cut just below the start of the barrel where gas pressure has cut it. And thats a lot of rounds in a cheep black powder gun.
I would much rather have a real or repro COLT but these Itilians are a lot of fun and well worth the money.
Try to find a large gun show, they can be had much cheeper and there are a lot more to choose from,
Suggestions:
1. Stay with 44 cal lot more fun
2. My favorite is the 1862 colts, like the sheriffs model in 5 1/2 inch.
3 Remingtons are stronger, but there not colts and for me dont feel or sound as good.
4. have FUN
5.HAve fun
6. have fun

PS the 1862 colt is the one in the middle,
PS #2 car lead weghts are good but a little hard, there is a lot of Tin in them. Add at least 30% pure lead to tire weights and they will be soft enough. Remember the softer the more accurat the gun. When the ball is inserted in to the cylinder there is only a very small ring cut off and the barring surface that makes contact with the lands in the barrel in minnimal. When you use soft lead the ball actualy changes shape more when its fired and makes more contact with the lands. Car weights work very well in rifles where patches are used but in colt repo's the softer the better. But I have shot a lot of car weights too.

Parabellium · February 21, 2005, 04:19 AM

thanks for the info guys, i picked it up and i cant wait tell i can take it out and shoot

armedandsafe · February 21, 2005, 12:21 PM

Wheel weights are actually pretty hard for black powder. I go to the recyclers and pick up plumbers lead or X-Ray lead. The desirable stuff is pure lead, with no tin or antimony. Every once in awhile I run across a dive belt in the thrift store. The weights are 5lbs each of pure lead and I can often get a belt with 4 or 5 weights for $5 or so. That always makes me happy.

Pops

mec · February 22, 2005, 05:04 PM

good sticky note and it is by Gatofeo

February 18, 2005, 08:25 PM	#1
Parabellium Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 4	First time black powder, need some info on Revolvers Hi im new to this forum, and i need some info i have been looking at some of the traditions 1851 navy and the 1858 rem the barrel is marked FLLIPETTA ITALY one brass case and one that i guess is steel, looks like darkened brass. $130 for the brass and $150 for the dark brass are these any good and how strong is the brass? and another one thats used and its a 1858 rem all steel except for the trigger gaurd, and its engraved under the barrel with E.N. Santa Barbara made in Spain. they are asking $150 and it seems to be in nice cond. thanks for any info

February 18, 2005, 11:49 PM	#3
Gatofeo Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2004 Location: Remote Utah desert Posts: 224	"There is a sticky not by Gatofeo that is very detailed and useful ..." --- Mec Not by me? I just checked and only saw my post as a sticky in the Blackpowder section of The High Road. There's another grumpy ol' ugly cat somewhere in the Utah desert? You mean I have a doppelganger? Ohhhhhhh! The horror! THE HORROR! __________________ "And lo, did I see an ugly cat. Smoke. Brimstone. Holes in parchment. And this ugly cat was much amused." --- The Prophesies of Gatodamus (1503 - 1566)

February 19, 2005, 12:04 AM	#4
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,841	There is indeed a "sticky" thread and I was impressed enough to make it "sticky" for our members. Click here Gatefeo's thread on how to use a cap 'n ball revolver __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

February 19, 2005, 02:06 AM	#6
Springer45 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: Land of Sky Blue Waters Posts: 183	Piettas are fine. I have an 1858 that I bought from Cabela's last summer and it's been a great piece. Last edited by Springer45; February 21, 2005 at 12:13 AM.

February 20, 2005, 11:06 AM	#9
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Bent a rememgtion loading lead??? That one I would find hard to believe if they were loading it correctly and using soft lead, I have 9 different colt repros most are FLLIPETTA and there are problems. But there minor and usualy the small parts that make up the lock work and trigger. But the parts are all easy to get and very easy to replace, IF I was paying 500 like a repro built by colt that would bother me but for a 120 dollar gun its nothing. One other thing, being that there so cheep I have taught myself simple gun smithing with them. I have one that I have had since I was 18 and IM 50 now. Its been fired so much that the bar that the cylinder rotates on has a small cut just below the start of the barrel where gas pressure has cut it. And thats a lot of rounds in a cheep black powder gun. I would much rather have a real or repro COLT but these Itilians are a lot of fun and well worth the money. Try to find a large gun show, they can be had much cheeper and there are a lot more to choose from, Suggestions: 1. Stay with 44 cal lot more fun 2. My favorite is the 1862 colts, like the sheriffs model in 5 1/2 inch. 3 Remingtons are stronger, but there not colts and for me dont feel or sound as good. 4. have FUN 5.HAve fun 6. have fun PS the 1862 colt is the one in the middle, PS #2 car lead weghts are good but a little hard, there is a lot of Tin in them. Add at least 30% pure lead to tire weights and they will be soft enough. Remember the softer the more accurat the gun. When the ball is inserted in to the cylinder there is only a very small ring cut off and the barring surface that makes contact with the lands in the barrel in minnimal. When you use soft lead the ball actualy changes shape more when its fired and makes more contact with the lands. Car weights work very well in rifles where patches are used but in colt repo's the softer the better. But I have shot a lot of car weights too. Last edited by Ozzieman; October 3, 2012 at 04:12 PM.

February 18, 2005, 08:51 PM	#2
mec Junior member Join Date: December 6, 2001 Posts: 1,536	The FllPieta means they were made by the Pietta Company. Some people have good look with brass frames while others find they shoot loose fairly quickly. One poster said that he had actually bent his brass framed Remington 58 by seating a bullet too hard. This is quite feasible as the area at the bottom front of the frame has very little metal. There are rumors that Pietta has improved their quality in recent years. This is definately the case with Uberti-another Italian replica maker. For good information on using the caplock revolvers, see the black powder section of thehighroad.org. There is a sticky not by Gatofeo that is very detailed and useful

February 19, 2005, 01:03 AM	#5
Parabellium Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 4	Thanks for the info! are pietta Revolvers good? Gatofeo: im from northern utah, any shops you can suggest that are helpfull and have good prices?

February 19, 2005, 02:49 AM	#7
Parabellium Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 4	great, tomorrow ill head down and pick it up. also any hints on finding soft lead? i want to make my own balls.

February 20, 2005, 07:50 AM	#8
RoyP Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2002 Location: corning,new york Posts: 217	A cheap place to fing lead is to hit the local tire shops and see what they do with thier old wheel weights.

February 21, 2005, 04:19 AM	#10
Parabellium Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 4	thanks for the info guys, i picked it up and i cant wait tell i can take it out and shoot

February 21, 2005, 12:21 PM	#11
armedandsafe Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: Moses Lake WA Posts: 1,001	Wheel weights are actually pretty hard for black powder. I go to the recyclers and pick up plumbers lead or X-Ray lead. The desirable stuff is pure lead, with no tin or antimony. Every once in awhile I run across a dive belt in the thrift store. The weights are 5lbs each of pure lead and I can often get a belt with 4 or 5 weights for $5 or so. That always makes me happy. Pops __________________ Armed and Safe: Not just a theory If it time to bury them, it is time to dig them up. Remember, "Behind every blade of grass."

February 22, 2005, 05:04 PM	#12
mec Junior member Join Date: December 6, 2001 Posts: 1,536	my bad Sticky Note by Gatofeo not Sticky Not by Gatofeo good sticky note and it is by Gatofeo