Al Qaeda Shootin Up The Shopping Mall - Page 2

bdc · August 8, 2005, 01:44 PM

The original question was:

Have you walked with your teenage daughter through the mall and made sure she knew the escape routes? Explained how to take cover? Run through possible scenarios? Drilled them...

When you go off from the question onto a tangent about not liking malls, then you miss the question.

I don't have a daughter. I had a son. My son was licensed as a ham radio operator and had his portable gear and survival supplies locked in the principal's office when he was in elementary school in LAUSD.

When the riots came, he was drilled by me in advance as to what to do in case of riot when he was in school and followed those common sense directions and not the last minute thoughts of the Vice Principal when school was shut down in a riot.

The lack of awareness is apparent in malls and not confined to the same.

One day, I came out of a stalking exercise with a sniper scout school class and went that evening to a mall with a girlfriend. The lack of awareness on the part of security and the patrons was clear.

By the way, if Wildalaska thought it through, he would not take out his Taurus and engage. The appropriate response is to take cover (or concealment if cover is not available) and then decide whether you want to shoot the BG in the back (most effective tactic) or to do the PACMAN routine fantasized by people on the internet.

Matt19 · August 8, 2005, 03:14 PM

When you think about it, most people are sheep and they are in condition white, as Col. Cooper would say. They are complacent. The reality is, we all get that way from time to time. But there are many of us here who understand that the local mall would be a wonderful place to do something hideous. Therefore, we make contigency plans every time we go out to a public place. Others may laugh, but when you are caught that "one time", you'll never let it happen again.

Hahnb · August 10, 2005, 09:15 PM

When your son is taking portable surival gear to 4th grade you might as well just live in a dungeon if you're willing to let terrorists effect your life that much.

Doc Hardball · August 21, 2005, 10:32 AM

I'm with most of you that hate being in large crowds, too many people to keep track of. I am a naturally overly alert person, I have a tendency to "analyze" everyone around me. I don't consider it as being paranoid as it is something I have done for as long as I can remember. I just like knowing what the people around me are up to.

It also helps me notice more eye candy than the typical viewer. Maybe I'm just a voyeur and not paranoid?

As for your scenario, not much you can do if a truck bomb comes flying through those big glass "Welcome to the Wonderful World of Capitalism" doors.

If a shooting rampage, most likely not a terrorist, just someone pissed off because daddy loved the bottle more than him. In that case, I would find cover and wait for a clear shot, and not hunt him down. Don't want the LEO's or Mall Ninja to confuse me with the BG.

PythonGuy · August 23, 2005, 01:46 PM

I'd consider it paranoid.

DimitriS · August 23, 2005, 02:13 PM

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I'm with most of you that hate being in large crowds, too many people to keep track of. I am a naturally overly alert person, I have a tendency to "analyze" everyone around me. I don't consider it as being paranoid as it is something I have done for as long as I can remember. I just like knowing what the people around me are up to.

Thats not being paranoid or anything.

In a mall there are alot of people and knowing who and what is around you is a good thing. I over analyze everthing too and its helped me not get robbed a couple times.

Plus there is alot of girls in malls thats always a plus when your single and looking for a girl thats your type to ask out.

As for the book "Teeth of a Tiger" by Tom Clancy its a pretty interesting book make a good read in a long car trip

Dimitri

cracked butt · August 28, 2005, 04:23 AM

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Of course, there are no gun shops in malls.

In one of the biggest malls in my state, there is a store called Scheels which is also probably the biggest gun shop in the entire state. The upside is that the store has its own entrance from the outside, so I can stop in there, and walk back out without having to go through the rest of the mall that I have no business in.

swmike · August 28, 2005, 12:40 PM

My biggest problem with my wife at the mall is getting her to spend money. She shops for hours there and leaves without buying. (yeah, that's a complaint???)

When she goes to the mall, I go along and so does my carry piece. I don't worry about OBL's guys, just the local "gangsta's". Been more incidents involving them than terrorists (or they the local chapter?). Recently moved (when I retired) from the Denver area. The Aurora Mall (Denver suburb) was the local parade ground for all the gangs of the area. Several shootings, one turned into a shootout, in the mall. So much for foreign terrorists (although is is rumored that several gang members were from a country that adjoins our southern border and their immigration status was questionable).

My military service has made me just paranoid enough to avoid groups, notice strange (or out of place) people, and to ratchet up the awareness when necessarily. Actually turned and stepped in front of someone getting ready to put his hand in my wifes purse during one trip. He looked like he was going to fill his pants and ran.

I refuse to be held hostage by the thought of terrorism. I will just make sure that I am aware of what is happening around me.

Slateman · August 28, 2005, 06:06 PM

Wild, come on. I've been there. There is no way in hell that Alaska has malls

Seriously though, my area of Northern VA has about 6 malls within a half hour or less (Tysons, Tysons II, Springfield, Landmark, Fair Oaks, and Potomac Mills)

I have gone over in my head what I might do if there was an incedent involving gunmen (robbery or terrorism). Quite simply, I'm not sure what I could do. Malls are big places with lots of places to hide. I'm not gonna go chasing down bad guys.

I would pretty much funnel as many people to safety as possible, call the police on my cell phone, and use my pistol only if I have to for defense, or I have a for sure kill shot. Even then, I would have to carefully double check that a bad guy didn't have a bead on me.

X-RAY · August 28, 2005, 06:58 PM

Can't believe I'm not the only one who is "uncomfortable " in the croweded malls. Too many nut jobs too close together !!
Last Febuary the wife and I went to the Kingston mall , in upstate N.Y. to
buy a valentines day gift for her. Got in early, found what we wanted, and left. When we got home about 45 min later ,the ariel photos from the news chopper showed,there in the same space I had been parked in (

) was a Sheriffs car that was responding to the call they got for a "man with a gun" who was shotting up the place!!!!! It was plastered all over the news for the rest of the day. Just bumped up my awareness level from "uncomfortable" to "PARANOID".
Sidearm or not I still hate malls.

Doug.38PR · October 15, 2005, 05:07 PM

I usually don't visit malls that have a 30.06 posting (sign in Texas that owners put up that say you can't wear your gun

) for just this reason. Katy Mills Mall in Katy (just west of Houston) has one. They get very little of my business.

Luby's cafeteria learned their lesson in Killeen, Texas about 15 years ago.

Soon after that event I gather they removed their 30.06 sign. Now I eat there all the time and enjoy their Country Fried Steak with my OP on my hip. I'd rather not be a mall owners educational piece getting shot while unarmed.

I had a very long thread along these lines way back concerning if I had my gun and some islamic terrorists, crazy columbine kidz, or just some nutcase with a brain tumor came in and started "hosing people down." What if your bullet missed or went through the perpetrator and hit someone else...yikes!

on that point, try to make sure you have a clear shot if you can.

If your gun is in your car then the problem is likely to be over before you get back in there, plus you want to be extra careful not to get shot by a nervous mall guard or a policeman mistaking you for one of the bad guys.

Aside from that all I can say is happy hunting and be safe.

SamD · October 15, 2005, 05:29 PM

#1. They actually do have at least 1 mall in Anchorage, probably more by now.

#2. Vigilant persons have detected suicide bombers prior to their detonation, and armed persons have killed them preventing detonation.

Avoid paranoia. Take reasonable measures to drill your family in whatever you consider appropriate behavior. Be vigilant, if you detect trouble, take the appropriate action.

As for engaging evildoers, men are obligated to do so. Sheep may do as they please:barf. Avoid the company on sheep, mutton sucks:barf:.

Sam

Langenator · October 16, 2005, 09:27 AM

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Now up in Alaska, theres a remote chance of Obamas attacking

Um...Osama's a terrorist. Obama's a US Senator from Illinois. Freudian slip, WA?

Wildalaska · October 16, 2005, 12:49 PM

Y'all just think Im stupid huh

Wildcondi2008Alaska

Boss Spearman · October 16, 2005, 09:01 PM

There's nothing at any mall that I cannot order now through the 'net and just have shipped to my house. I haven't bought anything, clothing, shoes, etc from any mall in ages.

August 8, 2005, 01:44 PM	#26
bdc Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Posts: 60	Answer the question The original question was: Have you walked with your teenage daughter through the mall and made sure she knew the escape routes? Explained how to take cover? Run through possible scenarios? Drilled them... When you go off from the question onto a tangent about not liking malls, then you miss the question. I don't have a daughter. I had a son. My son was licensed as a ham radio operator and had his portable gear and survival supplies locked in the principal's office when he was in elementary school in LAUSD. When the riots came, he was drilled by me in advance as to what to do in case of riot when he was in school and followed those common sense directions and not the last minute thoughts of the Vice Principal when school was shut down in a riot. The lack of awareness is apparent in malls and not confined to the same. One day, I came out of a stalking exercise with a sniper scout school class and went that evening to a mall with a girlfriend. The lack of awareness on the part of security and the patrons was clear. By the way, if Wildalaska thought it through, he would not take out his Taurus and engage. The appropriate response is to take cover (or concealment if cover is not available) and then decide whether you want to shoot the BG in the back (most effective tactic) or to do the PACMAN routine fantasized by people on the internet.

August 8, 2005, 03:14 PM	#27
Matt19 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 1999 Posts: 315	When you think about it, most people are sheep and they are in condition white, as Col. Cooper would say. They are complacent. The reality is, we all get that way from time to time. But there are many of us here who understand that the local mall would be a wonderful place to do something hideous. Therefore, we make contigency plans every time we go out to a public place. Others may laugh, but when you are caught that "one time", you'll never let it happen again. __________________ In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to it.-Bear Bryant.

August 28, 2005, 12:40 PM	#33
swmike Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2005 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 670	My biggest problem with my wife at the mall is getting her to spend money. She shops for hours there and leaves without buying. (yeah, that's a complaint???) When she goes to the mall, I go along and so does my carry piece. I don't worry about OBL's guys, just the local "gangsta's". Been more incidents involving them than terrorists (or they the local chapter?). Recently moved (when I retired) from the Denver area. The Aurora Mall (Denver suburb) was the local parade ground for all the gangs of the area. Several shootings, one turned into a shootout, in the mall. So much for foreign terrorists (although is is rumored that several gang members were from a country that adjoins our southern border and their immigration status was questionable). My military service has made me just paranoid enough to avoid groups, notice strange (or out of place) people, and to ratchet up the awareness when necessarily. Actually turned and stepped in front of someone getting ready to put his hand in my wifes purse during one trip. He looked like he was going to fill his pants and ran. I refuse to be held hostage by the thought of terrorism. I will just make sure that I am aware of what is happening around me. __________________ My definition of Gun Control--- A steady grip and hitting your target. "In God we trust, all others are suspects." "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying, either I won't need any more, or more won't be of any help". ____________________________________________

August 28, 2005, 06:58 PM	#35
X-RAY Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2005 Posts: 188	Can't believe I'm not the only one who is "uncomfortable " in the croweded malls. Too many nut jobs too close together !! Last Febuary the wife and I went to the Kingston mall , in upstate N.Y. to buy a valentines day gift for her. Got in early, found what we wanted, and left. When we got home about 45 min later ,the ariel photos from the news chopper showed,there in the same space I had been parked in ( ) was a Sheriffs car that was responding to the call they got for a "man with a gun" who was shotting up the place!!!!! It was plastered all over the news for the rest of the day. Just bumped up my awareness level from "uncomfortable" to "PARANOID". Sidearm or not I still hate malls. __________________ RIDE HARD...SHOOT STRAIGHT...AND TELL THE TRUTH

October 15, 2005, 05:29 PM	#37
SamD Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: Nueva Mexico Posts: 166	#1. They actually do have at least 1 mall in Anchorage, probably more by now. #2. Vigilant persons have detected suicide bombers prior to their detonation, and armed persons have killed them preventing detonation. Avoid paranoia. Take reasonable measures to drill your family in whatever you consider appropriate behavior. Be vigilant, if you detect trouble, take the appropriate action. As for engaging evildoers, men are obligated to do so. Sheep may do as they please:barf. Avoid the company on sheep, mutton sucks:barf:. Sam __________________ "It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards"

August 10, 2005, 09:15 PM	#28
Hahnb Junior member Join Date: August 10, 2005 Posts: 14	When your son is taking portable surival gear to 4th grade you might as well just live in a dungeon if you're willing to let terrorists effect your life that much.

August 21, 2005, 10:32 AM	#29
Doc Hardball Junior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 13	I'm with most of you that hate being in large crowds, too many people to keep track of. I am a naturally overly alert person, I have a tendency to "analyze" everyone around me. I don't consider it as being paranoid as it is something I have done for as long as I can remember. I just like knowing what the people around me are up to. It also helps me notice more eye candy than the typical viewer. Maybe I'm just a voyeur and not paranoid? As for your scenario, not much you can do if a truck bomb comes flying through those big glass "Welcome to the Wonderful World of Capitalism" doors. If a shooting rampage, most likely not a terrorist, just someone pissed off because daddy loved the bottle more than him. In that case, I would find cover and wait for a clear shot, and not hunt him down. Don't want the LEO's or Mall Ninja to confuse me with the BG.

August 23, 2005, 01:46 PM	#30
PythonGuy Junior member Join Date: November 4, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 456	I'd consider it paranoid.

August 28, 2005, 06:06 PM	#34
Slateman Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2005 Location: Northern VA Posts: 323	Wild, come on. I've been there. There is no way in hell that Alaska has malls Seriously though, my area of Northern VA has about 6 malls within a half hour or less (Tysons, Tysons II, Springfield, Landmark, Fair Oaks, and Potomac Mills) I have gone over in my head what I might do if there was an incedent involving gunmen (robbery or terrorism). Quite simply, I'm not sure what I could do. Malls are big places with lots of places to hide. I'm not gonna go chasing down bad guys. I would pretty much funnel as many people to safety as possible, call the police on my cell phone, and use my pistol only if I have to for defense, or I have a for sure kill shot. Even then, I would have to carefully double check that a bad guy didn't have a bead on me.

October 15, 2005, 05:07 PM	#36
Doug.38PR Junior member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 3,298	I usually don't visit malls that have a 30.06 posting (sign in Texas that owners put up that say you can't wear your gun ) for just this reason. Katy Mills Mall in Katy (just west of Houston) has one. They get very little of my business. Luby's cafeteria learned their lesson in Killeen, Texas about 15 years ago. Soon after that event I gather they removed their 30.06 sign. Now I eat there all the time and enjoy their Country Fried Steak with my OP on my hip. I'd rather not be a mall owners educational piece getting shot while unarmed. I had a very long thread along these lines way back concerning if I had my gun and some islamic terrorists, crazy columbine kidz, or just some nutcase with a brain tumor came in and started "hosing people down." What if your bullet missed or went through the perpetrator and hit someone else...yikes! on that point, try to make sure you have a clear shot if you can. If your gun is in your car then the problem is likely to be over before you get back in there, plus you want to be extra careful not to get shot by a nervous mall guard or a policeman mistaking you for one of the bad guys. Aside from that all I can say is happy hunting and be safe.

October 16, 2005, 12:49 PM	#39
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Y'all just think Im stupid huh Wildcondi2008Alaska

October 16, 2005, 09:01 PM	#40
Boss Spearman Registration in progress Join Date: March 23, 2005 Posts: 319	There's nothing at any mall that I cannot order now through the 'net and just have shipped to my house. I haven't bought anything, clothing, shoes, etc from any mall in ages.

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