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August 7, 2012, 12:32 PM | #51 | ||
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Obviously, doing the same thing doesn't yield different results!! Fact of business: 1) I shouldn't HAVE to worry about my loved ones going to public places 2) Those with thoughts of evil mass shootings should REALLY have something to worry about regarding the consequence of their actions. As of now they don't.
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August 7, 2012, 12:40 PM | #52 |
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I believe two things will make a difference:
1) encouraging citizens to arm themselves 2) discouraging and punishing those who carry out acts of violence, mass shootings, terrorism. I'm done here.
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August 7, 2012, 12:51 PM | #53 |
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3) Better background checks to weed out the nutters 4) A mental health system with more teeth and better networking. Whats the link in many of these nutjob shootings? Someone knew about and tried to report it or get them help. VMI. Tucson. Aurora. Even the Fort Hood shooter (although terrorism) had been reported. |
August 7, 2012, 12:58 PM | #54 | |
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August 7, 2012, 01:25 PM | #55 | |
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I walk into a room, I look for the exits, I make a mental note of who enters and leaves. The only time I sit with my back to the main entrance is when I eat lunch with LEO friends. On the highway, I am constantly scanning around me and keeping inventory of which cars are in which positions around me. I have a long commute in heavy traffic and I've had to suddenly switch lanes before. It helps to have some idea of what your exit is. I'm always on the lookout for suspect behavior. When I was in India, a man was tailing my project manager (a female) and one of the female staff members we were there to train. We had become separated, but once I made eye contact and moved in their direction he reversed direction and left. What was he up to? No idea, all I care about is he went the other way. I've had to draw a weapon in defense before, I've opened the door with a gun behind my back once, I engaged in hand-to-hand with some wannabe gang-bangers in a mall food court a few years back. A Mall. Food Court. There are no safe places. I'm not against relaxation or even letting my guard down, but in environments I don't control I am not safe. I can't count how many car accidents I've avoided simply by paying attention. How many dangerous situations have I successfully defused just by not being a target? No idea, but more then a couple at least. At some point, no amount of preparation or situational awareness will help you if things suddenly go sideways. You just have to hope your preparations and training are enough to get you through. Bad people don't care and they never will. It doesn't take a spree killer, it just takes an individual or a handful of miscreants to create a situation that we all agree shouldn't happen. Yet it does. The sooner we come to grips with that and stop putting on rose colored glasses the better off we'll all be. Bad people would get away with less if we as a society would acknoweldge they are there and were prepared to deal with them. |
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2) Those with thoughts of evil mass shootings should REALLY have something to worry about regarding the consequence of their actions. As of now they don't.
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August 7, 2012, 03:59 PM | #57 |
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1. Before one rants about throwing away the BOR, one might study up. NO evidence for deterrence for capital punishment. Yep, some commentators might say there is - but most reviews say no.
2. Video games - Grossman is summarizing the literature from a particular school of thought. However, the video game violence connection is not accepted by all in the literature as having any predictive validility for violence. We chortle about the 2nd Amend. protecting rights and then want to torture folks and get rid of fair trials. That's not legit.
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August 7, 2012, 04:08 PM | #58 |
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We can't defend our rights by willing to compromise others is what you're saying?
I agree. I'm all for the death penalty, but yeah it doesn't work as a deterrent. All it does is make sure that individual never commits a murder again. I'm a little dismayed at the suggestions around mental health or even taking away provisions around cruel and unusual punishment. The US system is not centered around vengeance but rather justice. The distinction is extremely important. I think a lot of the reaction is more of the "something must be done!" reaction. The only thing I'd like to see is anyone who commits a mass or serial murder cannot use the insanity defense. Anyone that unbalanced needs to be removed from the populace permanently. |
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That's pure and simple BS. The insanity defense came out for a mass murderer if I recall who was clearly not responsible.
Removing the unbalanced from the population harkens back to some of genocidial opponents of the past. In fact, the genocide of the Holocaust did not start with the Jews, Gypsis and gays - it started with the mentally ill. Such excutions were supported by the German psychiatric profession. If you actually knew something about the biology of mental illness, you might not be so full it. Also, study up on the insanity defense rules. Disgraceful comments in this thread. Thus, closed with extreme prejudice.
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