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July 18, 2014, 06:06 PM | #1 | |
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Bloomberg writer - a call for incrementalism
"Why Liberal Attacks on Gun Nuts Will Lose a Culture War" -- I was excited about the headline, especially since it came from Bloomberg Business Week --- until I read the article.
After predictably trashing Ted Nugent and Larry Pratt, and agreeing with what "liberal activists" think of them (and most of us), the article makes its point: Quote:
More fundamentally, there is no proof NYC's gun control policy is the reason, at least not the main one. The crime rate mostly went down during Rudy Giuliani's administration which wasn't gun friendly but wasn't totally bonkers like Bloomberg's. Other possible reasons? IIRC, NYC has the largest ratio of police to population of any major U.S. city. They are under a federal court order because their massive stop and frisk policy was unconstitutional. In most states, until the last three or four years, prison sentences have been longer, especially for repeat offenders. There may be a number of other factors which could account for a decreased crime rate. Still, I think this may be the announced change in plans for the gun grabbers. Go back to incrementally taking away gun rights until they are mostly gone. It worked for a number of years until gun owners finally began pushing back. |
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July 18, 2014, 08:03 PM | #2 | |
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And what can't be curbed, by tactics that arguably violate the 4th amendment, or displaced (Hello, Newark!), can always be recorded as less serious offenses (though homicides are more difficult to creatively re-categorize, at least when there's a body). (see this NYT article or this policemag article) Without NYC-style policing strategies, strict gun laws aren't likely to do much except disarm the law-abiding (some of them). If Phoenix adopted NYC policing, with Arizona gun laws staying the same, do the Bloomberg and Brady mouthpieces honestly believe Phoenix couldn't achieve murder (or any other type of violent crime you want to measure) rate parity with NYC?
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July 18, 2014, 08:39 PM | #3 |
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So just what new gun laws in NYC are allegedly responsible for this drop in crime?
Surely not the Sullivan Law of 1911. |
July 18, 2014, 09:08 PM | #4 | |
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I wonder how much of it goes back to Giuliani's efforts on community policing and creative zoning practices.
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July 18, 2014, 09:12 PM | #5 | |
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That is something that I've long wondered about: how many large cities with high violent crime rates get them under control by simply running the criminals out and into other areas for someone else to deal with? For example, while Chicago still has a horrendous violent crime rate, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past. However, many areas within a couple hours drive from Chicago like Indianapolis, IN and Champaign-Urbana, IL have been experiencing an increasing violent crime rate over the last few years. I've also been told by people who live in or visit Chicago often that the city has undertaken some fairly extensive "renovations" of some notoriously bad neighborhoods over the last few years. All this leads me to wonder if many of the violent criminals from Chicago are being run out and simply setting up shop a few hours down the road. |
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July 18, 2014, 11:37 PM | #6 | |
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July 19, 2014, 09:20 AM | #7 | |
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July 19, 2014, 09:54 AM | #8 |
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One bit of encouragement about these kinds of articles is the usually overwhelming number of replies that are from our side.
There seems to be a distinct absence of support for the guy who wrote it. Maybe it's true, the anti-gun propagandists don't really have all that much of an audience that agrees with them.
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July 19, 2014, 02:37 PM | #9 |
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The Firearm Fabians have never stopped being incremental, they've known for 50 years they will never get a ban on guns, or confiscation, so just keep on making it tougher and more expensive to own them, bit by bit.
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