Weird looking .308 brass--anyone seen this before?

TexasSeaRay · April 19, 2008, 11:17 PM

Found a bunch of these at the range a while back. 7.62 in caliber, but I can't recall seeing brass like this. Anyone seen this before?

Jeff

steve4102 · April 19, 2008, 11:28 PM

Looks to me like it could be 7.62x54R Russian.
http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/P...page%20286.pdf

45Marlin carbine · April 20, 2008, 01:05 AM

looks like it 2 me 2.

DonR101395 · April 20, 2008, 01:07 AM

You guys beat me to it. I didn't know Winchester made brass in that size though. If you look at the head stamp it says 7.62x54R

Yithian · April 20, 2008, 03:38 AM

If you want 308 Win brass, that aint it.
308 Win is 7.62X51 NATO.

7.62X54 is a Russian equivalent of our 30-06 Spr. The "R" means it is a rimmed case.

...As far as I know.

Sevens · April 20, 2008, 09:09 AM

7.62x54R has the strangest rim I've ever seen on a rifle or pistol cartridge. It's a rimmed designed, but the rim has a little taper to it, like a little bit of brass has been turned on it's bottom-most edge.

It really doesn't look like anything else I've ever seen. And it's usually eastern bloc berdan primed crap and it lays in neat little piles on the range.

What annoys me a bit about this brass on a public range is that it's most likely coming from a bolt action surplus rifle. It's not reloadable, and if all are getting chucked from an old bolt action relic, why doesn't anyone simply police their brass and toss it in one of the many trash cans rather than pile it up with all the other junk brass on ground? It's not like it's an SKS chucking the stuff 6 feet.

Hawg · April 20, 2008, 02:40 PM

Winchester brass should be boxer primed.

Smokey Joe · April 21, 2008, 10:54 AM

Sevens--

Quote:

It's not like it's an SKS chucking the stuff 6 feet.

I would be tickled to death if my SKS threw its empties ONLY 6 feet. Or if it threw them with some sort of consistency.

When I'm done with a session w/my SKS, there is brass behind me, straight to the right, angled forward to the right, straight forward, and even some to the left. In a radius of perhaps 10 feet, and that's the ones that didn't bounce even further.

My SKS is the most enthusiastic brass thrower I have ever seen!

I reload for it, and so try to pick up all the brass, and my recovery rate is about 80-90%. There are always a few empties which simply disappear completely.

If the SKS has any competition in the brass-throwing department, it is the M1 Carbine. Oh, and one friend @ my range has a Marlin Camp Rifle in 9mm which really flings 'em. But IMHO, the SKS is still king.

Sevens · April 21, 2008, 04:52 PM

Smokey Joe, my biggest brass flinger is my S&W 1006. I just installed a Wolf 22-lb recoil spring to try and slow it down and bring the brass a little closer, but it still chucks 'em like an olympic shot putter. So if you ever come up with some system that helps you with the SKS, tell us about it and maybe I can copy it for my 10.

I have one of those mesh bag catchers that mounts to my right hand and it catches 80-90% of them, but it ruins my shooting for sure.

The best way for me to get all my 10mm brass it to have a buddy shoot my pistol while I catch the flung brass.

snuffy · April 22, 2008, 02:44 AM

Ha! You've obviously never seen what a CZ-52 does with the 7.62X25 empties! At least it's fairly consistent, but about 20 feet at 5 o-clock. Since they're so rare and expensive, I really want to keep them.(expect the military berdan primed stuff.) I still pick it up, since it IS brass.

TexasSeaRay · April 22, 2008, 09:18 AM

Hell, NONE of y'all know anything about brass-flinging guns and not being able to find your brass.

My Ruger MarkII bull-barrell throws the brass EVERYWHERE and it's pure-D hell to find.

You guys disappoint me.

Jeff

Sevens · April 22, 2008, 10:00 AM

Heading off topic on a one-way street, but I don't think the original poster gives a crap!

When I first started shooting at 15 (YES I know, very late, but I made up time, believe me) one of the first firearms I shot was a Browning .22 semi-auto, you know the one, fancy, short barrel that removes easily and has the deep bluing and the tube magazine in-stock, and the not-so-common BOTTOM EJECT?

Well, I fired off a few rounds and sent one directly in to my shoe, in between a loose sock and my foot. The mother just BURNED in to my ankle, by the time I extracted it, it was already cooled, and left a tattoo that I have a hard time finding nowadays, but left a nice impression on me back then!

Thesenator · April 27, 2008, 02:04 PM

RE: "Looks to me like it could be 7.62x54R Russian."

It says 7.62X54R right on the case head.......how could there be any question as to what it is?

thallub · April 28, 2008, 02:46 PM

Winchester and Remington made 7.62x54 ammo into the 50s or 60s. Got a few boxes of Winchester on hand as we speak. Not sure if Federal made any of it.

A few million Russian rifles were made by US companies who were stuck with most of them when Russia withdrew from WWI. They were sold as surplus.

azredhawk44 · April 28, 2008, 03:54 PM

Winchester still makes 7.62x54R... or at least they buy it under their headstamp made from someone else's facilities.

I have a box of Winchester-Metric 7.62x54R 180gr softpoints for my Mosin 91/30 sitting in my closet right now, along side several more boxes of Sellier and Bellot 7.62x54R 180gr Softpoints.

That brass is boxer primed and of great quality, completely reloadable.

But it ain't .308, and it ain't 7.62x51 NATO.

Johnny Guest · April 29, 2008, 07:29 PM

Ejection patterns are VERY far off topic.

Best,
Johnny

April 19, 2008, 11:17 PM	#1
TexasSeaRay Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 810	Weird looking .308 brass--anyone seen this before? Found a bunch of these at the range a while back. 7.62 in caliber, but I can't recall seeing brass like this. Anyone seen this before? Jeff __________________ If every single gun owner belonged to the NRA as well as their respective state rifle/gun association, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. So to those of you who are members of neither, thanks for nothing.

April 20, 2008, 03:38 AM	#5
Yithian Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 719	If you want 308 Win brass, that aint it. 308 Win is 7.62X51 NATO. 7.62X54 is a Russian equivalent of our 30-06 Spr. The "R" means it is a rimmed case. ...As far as I know. __________________ Pondering the differences, terminally, between the V-Max and the A-Max.

April 20, 2008, 09:09 AM	#6
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	7.62x54R has the strangest rim I've ever seen on a rifle or pistol cartridge. It's a rimmed designed, but the rim has a little taper to it, like a little bit of brass has been turned on it's bottom-most edge. It really doesn't look like anything else I've ever seen. And it's usually eastern bloc berdan primed crap and it lays in neat little piles on the range. What annoys me a bit about this brass on a public range is that it's most likely coming from a bolt action surplus rifle. It's not reloadable, and if all are getting chucked from an old bolt action relic, why doesn't anyone simply police their brass and toss it in one of the many trash cans rather than pile it up with all the other junk brass on ground? It's not like it's an SKS chucking the stuff 6 feet. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

April 21, 2008, 04:52 PM	#9
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Smokey Joe, my biggest brass flinger is my S&W 1006. I just installed a Wolf 22-lb recoil spring to try and slow it down and bring the brass a little closer, but it still chucks 'em like an olympic shot putter. So if you ever come up with some system that helps you with the SKS, tell us about it and maybe I can copy it for my 10. I have one of those mesh bag catchers that mounts to my right hand and it catches 80-90% of them, but it ruins my shooting for sure. The best way for me to get all my 10mm brass it to have a buddy shoot my pistol while I catch the flung brass. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

April 22, 2008, 02:44 AM	#10
snuffy Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2001 Location: Oshkosh wi. Posts: 3,055	Ha! You've obviously never seen what a CZ-52 does with the 7.62X25 empties! At least it's fairly consistent, but about 20 feet at 5 o-clock. Since they're so rare and expensive, I really want to keep them.(expect the military berdan primed stuff.) I still pick it up, since it IS brass. __________________ The more people I meet, the more I love my dog They're going to get their butts kicked over there this election. How come people can't spell and use words correctly?

April 19, 2008, 11:28 PM	#2
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,952	Looks to me like it could be 7.62x54R Russian. http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/P...page%20286.pdf

April 20, 2008, 01:05 AM	#3
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	looks like it 2 me 2.

April 20, 2008, 01:07 AM	#4
DonR101395 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: NWFL Posts: 3,031	You guys beat me to it. I didn't know Winchester made brass in that size though. If you look at the head stamp it says 7.62x54R

April 20, 2008, 02:40 PM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Winchester brass should be boxer primed.

April 22, 2008, 09:18 AM	#11
TexasSeaRay Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 810	You guys are amateurs Hell, NONE of y'all know anything about brass-flinging guns and not being able to find your brass. My Ruger MarkII bull-barrell throws the brass EVERYWHERE and it's pure-D hell to find. You guys disappoint me. Jeff __________________ If every single gun owner belonged to the NRA as well as their respective state rifle/gun association, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. So to those of you who are members of neither, thanks for nothing.

April 22, 2008, 10:00 AM	#12
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Heading off topic on a one-way street, but I don't think the original poster gives a crap! When I first started shooting at 15 (YES I know, very late, but I made up time, believe me) one of the first firearms I shot was a Browning .22 semi-auto, you know the one, fancy, short barrel that removes easily and has the deep bluing and the tube magazine in-stock, and the not-so-common BOTTOM EJECT? Well, I fired off a few rounds and sent one directly in to my shoe, in between a loose sock and my foot. The mother just BURNED in to my ankle, by the time I extracted it, it was already cooled, and left a tattoo that I have a hard time finding nowadays, but left a nice impression on me back then! __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

April 27, 2008, 02:04 PM	#13
Thesenator Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Posts: 126	RE: "Looks to me like it could be 7.62x54R Russian." It says 7.62X54R right on the case head.......how could there be any question as to what it is?

April 28, 2008, 02:46 PM	#14
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Winchester and Remington made 7.62x54 ammo into the 50s or 60s. Got a few boxes of Winchester on hand as we speak. Not sure if Federal made any of it. A few million Russian rifles were made by US companies who were stuck with most of them when Russia withdrew from WWI. They were sold as surplus.

April 28, 2008, 03:54 PM	#15
azredhawk44 Junior member Join Date: September 28, 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,465	Winchester still makes 7.62x54R... or at least they buy it under their headstamp made from someone else's facilities. I have a box of Winchester-Metric 7.62x54R 180gr softpoints for my Mosin 91/30 sitting in my closet right now, along side several more boxes of Sellier and Bellot 7.62x54R 180gr Softpoints. That brass is boxer primed and of great quality, completely reloadable. But it ain't .308, and it ain't 7.62x51 NATO.

April 29, 2008, 07:29 PM	#16
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	Type brass asked and answered. Ejection patterns are VERY far off topic. Best, Johnny

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