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November 30, 2008, 01:35 PM | #51 |
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November 30, 2008, 05:22 PM | #52 | |
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Great post! I agree that (especially for females) the wrong guy allowed "inside the family" is more dangerous than anybody out in the streets.
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I carry a single AAA LED $3 pen style light from Wally World that I put in my mouth (switched on, of course) and exit my vehicle. I realize that it could make my head a target , but most BG's are going to have their eyes blinded by that intense LED in the dark. In one pocket is a hand on a gun... In the other is the house keys... I do adjust accordingly when I have to carry packages into the house. I dare some stupid, unprepared azzhat to think he is going to get his way with me. Last edited by cold dead hands; December 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM. |
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He gets on the gas and stops long enough to tell the cops to lead or follow to the the hospital. Have you heard the story about the time I did 90 in a 40 zones to a hospital to save my Grandmother. You are below contempt in your defense of a potential murder of three...she is pregnant. I am not a criminal, but I do remember that the basic rule is...Leave no witnesses. Again I reiterate (buy a dictionary if your vocabulary is lacking)...you are a below contempt and I will (for the first time ever) call you a troll.... Mods, I do apologize... pardon my French? |
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November 30, 2008, 08:48 PM | #55 |
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I think the rude thing bears careful thought.
If someone asks me if they can pet my dog, I am put in a position of saying NO or of ignoring them, in other words, of possibly seeming rude. Ditto with a handshake...A man extends his hand to me, a lady, and I am put in a position of having to touch him, or of *seeming* unfriendly. So when I say "no, thank you" and decline to shake his hand, or reply "do Not touch my dog," it's with confidence and comfort, as I have already taken the time to consider where the rudeness began. |
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Or he is dumb enough to trust anyone. It would help if you guys would read and comprehend the the whole post of the person you disagree with... |
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November 30, 2008, 09:04 PM | #57 | |
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Professional criminals do practice with their weapons of choice. Did I mention that the defacto standard is that you leave no witnesses? |
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November 30, 2008, 09:11 PM | #58 | |
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November 30, 2008, 09:39 PM | #59 | |
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I saw a car dart into the "stop and rob" and a (not a racist comment, just fact) black youngster jumped out of the the car and was walking very quickly to the entrance. For whatever reason my friend looked back at me and I was on full alert, having seen what he barely noticed at first. I made a motion that indicated that he return to to my car and we left at high speed. Maybe dude needed to pee really bad.... I didn't want to find out one way or the other! |
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November 30, 2008, 09:59 PM | #60 |
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Holy cow!
Why are people getting so heated in their responses?
The only thing we know for sure is that the couple was approached in a parking lot by a guy, 30-40 yards away, who called out to them; didn't stop approaching them when prompted until he was 20 yards away; drove away when faced with a possibly armed person. NOBODY knows for sure that person was out to kill the couple. OK. The water breaking scenario was too fantastic to take seriously, but since the Wmart is just off a highway, what if it was a guy who pulled off cause he was lost and wanted directions? What if he didn't hear the negative response from 30-40 yards away and so kept on coming? Remember what the guy yelled to Sparks wasn't entirely intelligible to him from that distance. After saying no and a hand gesture from 30-40 yards out, do you give up on the non-deadly response? At what point does the gun come out? 18 yards? 15 yards? 12 yards? How about repeatedly yelling at the guy to stop? Is that area of Ohio that deadly that you go straight from saying stop to the most extreme response? I live in one of the deadliest cities in the country. Two blocks south of my door is busy with druggies and gunfire. I pass druggies all the time. People get killed in my neighborhood.(The nearest being half a block away, a day after I saw her working in her garden.) The park where I walk my dog and for which I coordinate monthly cleanups by concerned citizens is littered with drug bags around the benches. If I pulled out a gun(were I was allowed to CCW by my fair state) every time someone yells out something and/or approaches me, I'd be in a cell. Maybe that's why I'm having a hard time relating to Spark's course of action in that situation. |
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One big problem that your average "good" person has is leaving "friendly politeness" at the curb when it comes to personal safety.
I think you did it right by quickly saying NO! you can not! Most average people would have second guessed themselves and allowed the stranger to come up and talk to them before making a decision to avoid him. All our lives we have been taught that we should be polite. We have been taught this so much that most would rather put themselves in a awkward situation rather than hurt someones feelings or being seen as (rude). Being direct/firm when talking to strangers is neither rude or abusive. Your quick verbal reaction helped by giving you further evidence of his possible intent when he failed to follow your command. The fact that you didnt pull your weapon shows your control. You took each step as you needed to and didnt over-react. I am glad it turned out well.
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November 30, 2008, 11:26 PM | #62 |
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It's odd though the numerous amount of possible scenarios of what was really happening at that time...
The guy was broke and wanted to "bum" some money and built up enough courage to ask someone, but that someone looked to be getting ready to pull out a gun, so removing himself from the vicinity of the whacko, he left the area immediately with his daughter strapped in the back seat... worrying he's going to run out of gas and can't get back home. I doubt that's it, but who knows what really was going to happen. I get asked frequently if I have some $$ to spare. If the situation was the same, having a pregnant wife, etc, I think I would have done the same thing as well. Good job. NikonHunter |
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His car was running; he wasn't trying to get money for gas.
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I also guarantee you that he heard me very clearly. I'm loud in FTF conversations (I don't have a good inside voice) if you put me outside at night with no other noise then I'm VERY easy to hear, especially when I want to be. FACTS:
Or, maybe I'm just paranoid...
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He was looking to rob some easy mark and take their car and cell phone at the very least. I doubt he saw the gun, most likely he read your body language, saw you were ready for a fight, and decided to look for an easier mark. You did good, and saved yourself from a robbery and assault. If he had been a panhandler, he would hev waited for the next person to come out and asked them for money. |
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Congrats to the OP for defusing a potentially bad situation without doing anything potentially considered illegal (brandishing). I think many of you are missing that point... Had he pulled his gun at the first sign of trouble, I think we can agree on overreaction. But to imply that anything he did (from his own words) were anything other than common sense, is just insane...
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I really don't think any "regular" person would have consider your response to be threatening. A BG looking for trouble is going to be aware of what preparation for a fight looks like, he knew what he saw and beat feet. His response alone tells us everything we need to know.
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Hmmm.
Maybe it IS because I live where I live and something like this is not an uncommon occurrence that I just don't feel the imminent danger.
The only time I've felt really at risk was when I was almost jumped in my backyard at 230am as I was taking out the trash by a guy, who was 15 feet from me. He was scoping me out from under a tree but I retreated back into my house and nothing happened. (In my city, you have to retreat, even in your home if that option is open to you, before you can use deadly force.) I'm not in any way suggesting that's what you or anyone else should do. I think as soon as someone breaks into my home, I should be able to defend myself as I see fit. I'm just saying my danger radar didn't go off from what you described. |
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Please clarify. Sometimes just quoting people makes a bit of a comprehension mess. I am going to assume that you think the OP wanted to escalate the situation to a final outcome of a shooting by not allowing the potential predator to come near him by preparing to draw if needed in order to protect himself and his family. Or do I not comprehend at this time? Last edited by cold dead hands; December 1, 2008 at 10:51 PM. |
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I think one small thing the detractors of the original poster are missing is that most people, upon seeing they made someone "on edge" is to stop, possibly hold up their hands a little (kinda like, whoa!) and physically shift gears from aggresive to passive. If it was something important, that is when they would ask it. Thats where you learn what they really wanted. If they keep coming at you, something is going wrong.
Think about it, you walk into a co-workers office to ask them something, they snap at you a bit, what do you immediately do? You stop, pull up short a bit, downshift a little & then ask the question. This dude was into his mental script, and the initial "NO" threw him off. He hesitated, went back on script and kept approaching, recognized the body language the OP was giving, stopped & gave up on the script that was no longer working for him. THAT is how you tell a random innocent encounter from something about to go bad. IMO, YMMV Good job Sparky |
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Good job
No need to repeat why. The naysayers - nyah, nyah
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Way back when our ancestors were lizards, they learned to recognize predatory behavior. Your subconscious still knows how to recognize such behavior and it is trying to tell you if you will only listen. One of the important lessons from Gavin de Becker's book Gift of Fear is that too often we want to be polite and we ignore our lizard brain. He interviewed many victims of violent crime and most of them knew something was wrong before any overt signs of an attack. Your lizard brain recognized that he was a predator, you paid attention, took appropriate action, and the predator decided to go after easier prey. Well done. If the hair starts standing up on the back of your head, realize that your subconscious is trying to tell you something. Your subconscious has probably picked up non-verbal cues (posture, facial expressions, movement) signaling predatory behavior that your conscious thought process has not. |
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I have noticed about couple of the post above have been "what if" this or "what if" that. One thing I have realized is that all we have to go on is our life experience and/or training. If your gut tells you that something is wrong then it probably is. If you begin to second guess yourself then you will probably fail when it come to personal safety. The point is that your response to the situation is reasonable. I do not believe that anyone suggests "busting a thump strap" everytime you hear a twig break. The original poster responded to what he felt was a threat and his response was measured.
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