Pistol with flattest trajectory? - Page 2

Unlicensed Dremel · September 4, 2014, 01:45 PM

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is that the youth model? Where's the 20mm one?

Well, I wasn't sure if the OP was ready for the "full-power" one just yet. But if he's huntin BIG squirrels, then yeah, may have to recommend the 20mm pistol instead.

Seriously, now that we know your parameters better, the .17 Hummer is perfect. But if you really want to step up, .17 WSM rimfire, or centerfires: .17 Hornet, .17 Rem Fireball, .17 Mach IV

windstrings · September 4, 2014, 03:10 PM

Yea, 17 rifle is great but I want something I can holster for easy travel and greater challenge.

I love deer hunting with my S&W 460 XVR

Smaller cal the better with light grain... . 17 seems nice

windstrings · September 4, 2014, 03:20 PM

This looks nice!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=438781047

Tucker 1371 · September 4, 2014, 03:40 PM

.22 hornet revolver maybe?

http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/V...2/product.html

windstrings · September 4, 2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker 1371

.22 hornet revolver maybe?

http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/V...2/product.html

Nice looking gun, 8 rounds, but discontinued... Good looking bullet but not near as aerodynamically designed as the hmr . 17 hence prob not bear the accuracy and even distance , but without more research can't bring myself to spend that much on a Taurus!

If there's one this S&W does well it's revolvers.

My 460 is silky smooth!

saleen322 · September 4, 2014, 07:40 PM

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OK, I'll cherry-pick from your provided data; that's 32fps faster, not 300fps faster, from a 1" shorter barrel.

RickB, The 38 Super Auto compared to the 357 Sig discussion got me curious. While I don't see either as a squirrel round, I too did not think they were that different in velocity.

The data I looked at did also test the sig with a shorter barrel. In the 124-125 bullets, the fastest loads for both were with the 125. If I am reading the tables right, the 357 sig's fastest 125 load was 1438 fps and the fastest 125 out of the 38 super auto was 1399. The Sig is faster even giving up 1" of barrel but not a big difference. Below is the link to Hodgdon's load data as I may have read it wrong. YMMV

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

windstrings · September 4, 2014, 10:02 PM

Excellent article http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm

Unlicensed Dremel · September 4, 2014, 10:17 PM

Oh, yes - the Raging Hornet - that may just be the ticket - or a single shot precision rifle like a T/C Contender or Magnum Research Lone Eagle in a varmint chambering.

My bad - I forget we were doing handguns.

mavracer · September 5, 2014, 07:21 AM

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Point 3)Neither is appropriate for squirrels.

Well crap I guess I shouldn't hav shot all those squirrels I have with a 357 either.
You'd be suprised how little damage a 38 cal fmj or hard cast does to small game much less than a Stinger, 22 Mag JHP or 17 HMR.

As to the 38 Super vs 357 Sig, if you have the right Super you can use 9X23 data

**44 AMP** · September 5, 2014, 09:00 AM

While you'd have to make ammo adjustments for squirrels, the pistols I know with the flattest trajectories are all single shots, chambered in rifle calibers. T/C Contenders or Encores. Or the Remington XP-100 in .221 Fireball.

windstrings · September 5, 2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mavracer

Well crap I guess I shouldn't hav shot all those squirrels I have with a 357 either.
You'd be suprised how little damage a 38 cal fmj or hard cast does to small game much less than a Stinger, 22 Mag JHP or 17 HMR.

As to the 38 Super vs 357 Sig, if you have the right Super you can use 9X23 data

I think that's the secret "fmj"... Even a 17 hmr hollow point would tear whole sections of body away on a squirrel!

Creek Henry · September 5, 2014, 10:29 PM

I used to be quite capable of hitting a coffee can out to 100 yards with my AMT 22mag automag. I know that round is passe now but it is still a thumper on small game.

**44 AMP** · September 5, 2014, 10:32 PM

The secret to shooting squirrels (for food) with any large caliber gun is to "bark" them. We used to take squirrels with 12ga shotguns, and done right there is all the squirrel left.

The secret is to not shoot the squirrel, but the "bark" it is on. Particularly near the head. Done right, you get a nearly intact dead squirrel.

Takes a little practice, and is a bit harder than directly hitting the squirrel with a small caliber bullet, but if you have a large caliber gun, and want any usable meat left, its the way to do it.

feets · September 6, 2014, 01:53 PM

I've stuffed light weight .224 bullets in my 30 carbine Blackhawk using sabots. I never chronied them but they shot pretty well out to 100 yards or so.
Even with plain 30 carbine loads the gun is a flat shooter and holds nice groups at extended ranges.

Sheikyourbootie · September 7, 2014, 01:18 PM

Not the flattest trajectory compared to some of the ones you guys listed, but flat enough with a heavy enough round to use on hogs and deer, should the need arise. Might damage the meat on a squirrel, though. Just a bit.

140 grains at 1550 ft/sec isn't too shabby.

JD0x0 · September 7, 2014, 02:50 PM

.440 Cor-bon (necked down .50AE)

240 grain .429 caliber (same as .44mag/spl) @ 1900fps
I'm not sure how fast a sabboted .224 or .243 cal would be in the cartidge, but it'd be fast, no doubt.

Coach Z · September 8, 2014, 10:55 AM

I'm going with the 5.7 for flattest shooting, TCM would be a close second

Model12Win · September 8, 2014, 11:21 AM

Remington used to have a bolt-action pistol that fired .221 Fireball or some cartridge like that. That's got to have a flat trajectory.

Onward Allusion · September 8, 2014, 02:31 PM

If we're talking mainstream cartridges, it would have to go to the 357 Sig.

dakota1911 · September 8, 2014, 04:34 PM

I have 30-06 rounds with the sabot and 22 cal bullets. Don't know if you can buy them now. I am thinking Rem. used to make them (green & yellow boxes). I have at least 60 and maybe 100 that have been well stored over the years. I have to play with them again.

dakota1911 · September 8, 2014, 04:38 PM

And a 30-06 handgun is not something you shove in the back of your pants.

saleen322 · September 8, 2014, 06:51 PM

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If we're talking mainstream cartridges, it would have to go to the 357 Sig.

The Sig is fast but a plain old .22 Mag beats it handily. Ruger convertible with a 9.5" barrel.....

JayCee · September 8, 2014, 08:45 PM

This Freedom Arms Model 97 in 224-32 FA shoots a 40 grain bullet at around 2200 feet per second.

JD0x0 · September 8, 2014, 08:55 PM

.17HMR out of a 12'' barreled revolver has chrono'd in around 2200-2300fps apparently.

Unlicensed Dremel · September 9, 2014, 04:42 PM

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I'm going with the 5.7 for flattest shooting, TCM would be a close second

I agree - the 5.7mm Johnson Spitfire in a re-barreled Taurus Raging Thirty would be it.

September 4, 2014, 03:40 PM	#29
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September 5, 2014, 09:00 AM	#35
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	While you'd have to make ammo adjustments for squirrels, the pistols I know with the flattest trajectories are all single shots, chambered in rifle calibers. T/C Contenders or Encores. Or the Remington XP-100 in .221 Fireball. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 5, 2014, 10:32 PM	#38
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	The secret to shooting squirrels (for food) with any large caliber gun is to "bark" them. We used to take squirrels with 12ga shotguns, and done right there is all the squirrel left. The secret is to not shoot the squirrel, but the "bark" it is on. Particularly near the head. Done right, you get a nearly intact dead squirrel. Takes a little practice, and is a bit harder than directly hitting the squirrel with a small caliber bullet, but if you have a large caliber gun, and want any usable meat left, its the way to do it. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 8, 2014, 10:55 AM	#42
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	I'm going with the 5.7 for flattest shooting, TCM would be a close second __________________ Love my guns

September 8, 2014, 02:31 PM	#44
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	If we're talking mainstream cartridges, it would have to go to the 357 Sig. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

September 4, 2014, 03:10 PM	#27
windstrings Member Join Date: March 23, 2011 Posts: 24	Yea, 17 rifle is great but I want something I can holster for easy travel and greater challenge. I love deer hunting with my S&W 460 XVR Smaller cal the better with light grain... . 17 seems nice

September 4, 2014, 03:20 PM	#28
windstrings Member Join Date: March 23, 2011 Posts: 24	This looks nice! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=438781047

September 4, 2014, 10:02 PM	#32
windstrings Member Join Date: March 23, 2011 Posts: 24	Excellent article http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm

September 4, 2014, 10:17 PM	#33
Unlicensed Dremel Junior member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Flathead Valley, MT Posts: 2,187	Oh, yes - the Raging Hornet - that may just be the ticket - or a single shot precision rifle like a T/C Contender or Magnum Research Lone Eagle in a varmint chambering. My bad - I forget we were doing handguns.

September 5, 2014, 10:29 PM	#37
Creek Henry Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 514	I used to be quite capable of hitting a coffee can out to 100 yards with my AMT 22mag automag. I know that round is passe now but it is still a thumper on small game.

September 6, 2014, 01:53 PM	#39
feets Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2008 Posts: 560	I've stuffed light weight .224 bullets in my 30 carbine Blackhawk using sabots. I never chronied them but they shot pretty well out to 100 yards or so. Even with plain 30 carbine loads the gun is a flat shooter and holds nice groups at extended ranges.

September 7, 2014, 01:18 PM	#40
Sheikyourbootie Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2010 Posts: 379	Not the flattest trajectory compared to some of the ones you guys listed, but flat enough with a heavy enough round to use on hogs and deer, should the need arise. Might damage the meat on a squirrel, though. Just a bit. 140 grains at 1550 ft/sec isn't too shabby.

September 7, 2014, 02:50 PM	#41
JD0x0 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Posts: 1,037	.440 Cor-bon (necked down .50AE) 240 grain .429 caliber (same as .44mag/spl) @ 1900fps I'm not sure how fast a sabboted .224 or .243 cal would be in the cartidge, but it'd be fast, no doubt.

September 8, 2014, 11:21 AM	#43
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Remington used to have a bolt-action pistol that fired .221 Fireball or some cartridge like that. That's got to have a flat trajectory.

September 8, 2014, 04:34 PM	#45
dakota1911 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2007 Location: The Great American Desert Posts: 501	I have 30-06 rounds with the sabot and 22 cal bullets. Don't know if you can buy them now. I am thinking Rem. used to make them (green & yellow boxes). I have at least 60 and maybe 100 that have been well stored over the years. I have to play with them again.

September 8, 2014, 04:38 PM	#46
dakota1911 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2007 Location: The Great American Desert Posts: 501	And a 30-06 handgun is not something you shove in the back of your pants.

September 8, 2014, 08:45 PM	#48
JayCee Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2001 Posts: 494	This Freedom Arms Model 97 in 224-32 FA shoots a 40 grain bullet at around 2200 feet per second. __________________ “You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas.” – David Crockett “If I owned Texas and hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in hell.” - General Phillip H. Sheridan Last edited by JayCee; September 8, 2014 at 08:55 PM.

September 8, 2014, 08:55 PM	#49
JD0x0 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Posts: 1,037	.17HMR out of a 12'' barreled revolver has chrono'd in around 2200-2300fps apparently.