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October 18, 2008, 11:53 PM | #26 |
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It's kinda like putting a frog in a hot frying pan (gun ban) he will jump right out (us), but if you put him in a cold pan and turn the heat up slowly he will sit there and eventualy cook. I forget who said that but it's true. They will chip away at our rights a little at a time until we have none and before we realize it so stay alert!!!
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This is a bit of a depressing thread for me. I guess you will have all heard the
unreasonable ligislation introduced in Australia in 1997. Now someone asked, how they would enforce it? Well in Australia, they have a great solution to this. They don't. Anyone who is honest has to jump through all the hoops for a bolt action rifle or single barrelled shotgun. Put up with quite impolite treatment at the police station (the implication being that you are a borderline criminal and they are just waiting to pin something on you). And these guys don't even know their own laws. It took me a lot of trouble at the police counter to get them to process my application in the way the central firearms cell in the state capital said they should -- and give me all my entitlements. This was not an easy thing to do -- standing up to the police in their own station. It really is like that at the local police stations. The average public hates gun owners with a passion. The prime minister said he hated guns, and him and the rest made it pretty clear they were not keen on the owners either. In Australia, despite the size of the country, there is very little public land you can hunt on. In my state, exactly none. Most people over the years who have wanted to hunt have found they could not. They have dropped out. Now little of the population make a rural living, and have little access to land. They don't grow their own food animals and they don't hunt them. They are not vegetarians -- but they hate the idea that someone might get satisfaction from procuring meat for the table for them selves. They have no affinity with gun owners and hunters, because they have no opportunity to develop one. So the hunter and gun owner are very poorly thought of indeed, and are treated that way by police and the general public. Just over the Tasman in NZ, the culture is totally different (and they have lots of public land to hunt on). Now, while gun owners are lambasted at every opportunity little is done to curb illegal gun ownership -- by the really dangerous types. 80 % of crime committed with firearms is committed with illegal firearms or by people not licensed to have them. There is a veritable flood of pistols into the country through the same channels as drugs. I can't have one, but you can almost guarantee in some areas of the country that the junkies breaking in will have. The Institute of Criminology (not sure of the official name) indicated that no further pistol legislation was warranted when there was a crime in Melbourne involving pistols in a lecture theatre a few years ago, but the federal govt used the crime to allow them to bring in a heap of new anti handgun legilsation banning a range of pistols: handguns with less than a certain barrel length; auto's .45 and above -- all gone. While the gun owner has been hammered, just guess what one fine Queenslander received as a sentence after being found in possession of two or three stolen pistols, three rifles, and a couple of shotguns? He was only intending to sell them to a drug dealer, which seems wise since he could have scored a whole heap more drugs with $14 000 worth of firearms. This guy got 150 hours of community service. A recent article in the Australian Shooter has a whole list of these cases. The average Australian is so set against legitamate firearms owners yet this is going on. So your government may not adequately enforce these laws, but the honest people will abide by them. You might hide your guns, but watch what will happen when you happen to defend yourselves with them in your own home, even with good reason. So I would rather be a Kiwi. I lived there for a couple of years, and I could love that country. In Australia I guess I feel a bit like the aborigines must have felt - dispossessed in my own country, when I've spent my life being an upstanding citizen. So that is what you would be in for. The only hope you could have is if such a move got the same response as I have heard was recieved in Canada. Didn't everyone uniformly just ignore the calls for bans? Oh and guess what, the statistics from an analysis of the gun grab/buyback in Australia in 1997 are in and published in a peer reviewed scientific journal. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent on the buyback has had not effect on violent crime in general in Australia. Before the buyback there was a statistically verifiable trend of decreased gun violence since the 1970's. That trend did not change at all with the buyback. My input. Kind regards, Matt |
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Unfortunately all my guns are registered with the state police, so no way I could lie to them.
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October 19, 2008, 12:35 AM | #29 |
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I swear this question gets asked one a month...yawn...
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October 19, 2008, 01:14 AM | #30 |
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I gave all my guns away to marauding looters Officer.....
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October 19, 2008, 02:39 AM | #31 |
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Just stop and think, how many of your rights we've all ready lost and did nothing about ! We sit on our thumbs and do nothing as a country of "sheep". Gun ban no not yet, it's still on the list though , but government still has a lot more little rights to take away before "we wake up", they just do it a little at a time and we don't even know it.
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I think the OP was asking what the results of a gun ban would be and perhaps how enforcement would be carried out.
Let's take it from the top. Congress passes a law outlawing individual citizens from possessing firearms. Additional laws burden any firearm seller with huge amounts of paperwork and approvals before transferring a gun to, say an armored car company.
Secondary effects:
I doubt the gov't would implement a large-scale plan to confiscate firearms from the general public. Instead, this is what I think they'd most likely do...
Crime Rises As criminals see the citizenry become defenseless they will change their tactics.
There... did I miss anything?
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So far, a special thanks to the quality posts by Redneck Riot and BillCA. Thanks also to sikasambared for the insightful opinion and info from Oz.
Now the question posed is, "What happens if Guns are banned?", not, "Do you think Guns will be banned?" Review your post and see which question you answered. Note: Using nick names and creating short cuts to work around the prohibition on naming candidates and parties here in General Discussion endangers your entire post. A thoughtful, on topic post with a "what's his name for Chi-town" stuck in there leads me to believe some here may take this prohibition lightly. If a gray area is created by this practice, it will fall in the prohibition also. Don't press this button. |
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There won't be a weapons ban
That is still political suicide in some areas..at least until our open boarders have allowed the liberals to maintain a super majority . [edited]
The way it will be done is to attack the manufacturers, distributors and retailers of weapons and ammunition. Recently there was an attempt to enact a law that would require a serial number for each and every round of ammo produced. This was proposed under the guise of crime prevention..it was really an attempt to increase the cost of ammunition to prohibitive levels so that Joe the plumber could not afford to shoot his weapon..then only the hypocritical liberal wealthy elite could afford to buy ammunition.. I read recently about some credit card companies not allowing gun purchases with their cards.. Some ways the Federal government can attack firearms possession indirectly. The ATF can make life much more miserable for FFL holders than they do already. Increase the fees and onerous paper work requirement (see California.) Harass the insurance companies who provide insurance for the gun industry. How about back ground investigation for anyone involved in the supply chain. Drivers, dock workers , warehouse employees. salesmen.. bullets..they have LEAD,MERCURY AND EXPLOSIVE POWDER as part of their components don't they!!!.....I see increased hazardous materials fees and regulation of ammunition. I'm sure manufactures of firearms and ammunition know many more of these death by a thousand cuts than I have listed here. There are many many ways a a anti-gun administration can increase the costs dramatically. |
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What did BillCA miss?
1. We will be eaten by unopposed zombies - sorry couldn't resist. 2. If you look it up, there is strong evidence that many guns wouldn't be turned in. this has happened in Australia and California - known stocks haven't shown up. 3. Massive inefficiencies and scandals revolve around the databases and systems used to track the turn in - cost overruns become a scandal - as in Canada. 4. If some guns are allowed and compensation given for those taken, massive buying of the allowed guns. I think there was evidence of this in Australia -correct me if I'm wrong but I saw this posted. For example, no handguns for home defense - so buy an O/U shotgun.
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The end result is that the "War on Guns" will be just as successful as the war on drugs. Instead of having to just worry about the people who misuse drugs/guns and hurt others, the police will have to go after: the new black market where the only way to settle disputes is with violence, people who own guns but aren't hurting anyone, police corruption as a result of the profits involved. End result, the problem becomes 4 times worse than it was, as can be seen with the War on drugs. (25% of violence a result of drug use, 75% of violence a result of the illegal drug trade.) We already have 25% of the worlds prison population under the War on Drugs. We could likely see out prison population increase by another million or so. Meaning more prisons being build, since building school is for losers. All the while, drugs and guns will be readily available, though at their vastly inflated black market price. Last I checked, Glocks in the UK are readily available, but go for about $5K right now. People who can't afford that have to make do with sawed off shotguns.
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If there is a "real" attempt to ban guns of any kind, then lawyers will get rich, artificial restrictions on firearms will in the short term benefit domestic manufacturers, then as foreign gun makers innovate it will turn around and bite American gun makers in the butt.
In the end guns will not be banned and their price will rise by a large percentage. Last edited by Bud Helms; October 19, 2008 at 05:47 PM. Reason: vulgar |
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Problem with comparing guns to drugs is you can do drugs in private where no one knows what's going on (and yes, alcohol is a drug).
I own a gun, dang it, I'm going to shoot it. As mentioned before, if all the guns are outlawed, there will be a battlefield on America's soil. And don't be too sure that all the men who swore to protect our freedom and our flag will be fightinig for the goverment if it should come to that. What, should I be wearing my tin hat?
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What happens? The prices go up and I dont buy from gun stores and gun shows anymore. Ever heard of bathtub gin??
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Not our guns our Ammo
I dont think they will go after our guns. I think They will tax the ammo so much so it will dry up so the guns are worth nothing so buy all you can and all the reloading equiptment. Ive had a little trouble getting primers lately everything is getting high. So Brothers Please be careful. Guns with no ammo are useless. That is my 2 cents for what its worth. Thanks and god bless. your friend. Patrick
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What happens if guns are banned:?
I replied to this posting with what I believe to be real life answers. this question cannot be answered in a direct format because IMHO our guns will never be banned. the question might as well be "WHAT WILL WE DO IF ONE DAY THE SKY FALLS DOWN?" my point is not to demean the original poster of this thread but to point out that this is not a reality there are more than 35 million handguns alone in the United States according to the National Statistics for crime prevention as surveyed in 2000 America is an armed nation, we always have been since the Declaration of Independence. I agree that if the government ever did ban our guns they would most certainly lose their jobs the next election, look what happened to Clinton and his cronies after his AWB anti gun politicians all over the congress and white house lost their jobs! IMHO our government will be focused on far more important things that are currently facing this nation, the crumbling economy, loss of jobs, guns are just not big enough to add to this list at this point in time and so will be taking a back seat in the legislature. I watched all the debates this election year, can anyone remember the topic of gun control ever even brought up durring any of this besides the fella in michigan who asked a question to Joe Biden "are my babies going to be safe"? the topic of gun control did not get much emphasis durring this election campaign year . |
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Still more money to be made smuggling Heroin, though the prices of that have been falling lately thanks to the glut from Afghanistan. (Yes, there is a strong drug market even in North Dakota, though I don't partake anymore.) On the other hand, drug dogs don't sniff for gunpowder.
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There is a media compaign on right now to get just this done.
Guns are being demonized yet used as tools to sell advertising space by the same people. Lawful gun owners are portrayed as reckless stooges,intoxicated with owning their handguns and endangering everyone around them. People saving their lives with handguns or stopping crime with them are rarely reported then usually only with one report that disappears quickly. All over the world,governments look at the United States and wonder when it will happen. We are that last bastion of freedom. No matter who earns the job of President or what Congress tries to sneak by us,We,The People must turn off our televisions,get off out butts and call our elected officials. Make them manifestly uncomfortable with even the idea of banning firearms. But all the complaining in the world will not help if you do not get involved. Either you can vote and start calling your elected officials or you should shut up and get in the line to turn in your handguns. |
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