Winchester Small Primer Failure Question - Page 2

Slamfire · March 17, 2012, 06:03 PM

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So, it must be me. I must be a very careless reloader who must be priming with spent primers and then dumping the powder out of some of the cases after hand weighing each one and inspecting each case with a light prior to seating the bullets. I must also be ignoring the obviously visible spent primers in loaded rounds when I put them into the ammo cases with the primers facing up. I must also be unaware when I pull them out two at a time and load them in my revolvers...

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m&p45acp10+1 · March 17, 2012, 07:00 PM

Do not feel too bad. I had a CCI 400 blow out on me today. In fact none of the primer was left. Lucky it did not heavily damage my rifle. A little soot on the bolt face, and loose extractor. I did have to change the part that holds my extractor in because I lost the original somewhere in the grass where I was shooting. It fell out of my butter fingers when I was trying to get it back in.

Luckily the range manager had a few spare parts with him in his range bag.

All of the other rounds fired just fine. I have not a slight clue as to why it blew out. The brass was on its confirmed 3rd firing, the charge was weighed, and confirmed on 3 scales. COL of each round was within normal limits. I am still scratching my head.

I will post a pic of the brass and the extractor here in a bit. I finished the work for the day, and am cooling off with an ice cold Ice House. Prosit.

**Unclenick** · March 18, 2012, 03:50 PM

StraightShot,

Did they tell you to stop spitting into the case for luck before seating the bullet? Their customer service sounds like a lot of software customer service I've dealt with, always assuming an idiot customer because, unfortunately, that's often the problem, and they seem surprised when it isn't.

So, the primers fired but didn't ignite the powder which isn't their fault. Yeah, that's helpful. It does make me think you might weigh the primers before loading them to see if any are obviously light or heavy (lack of compound or addition of contaminate). I would also look carefully for signs of contamination on the anvil side (discoloration and whatnot).

medalguy · March 19, 2012, 12:42 AM

Did they tell you to stop spitting into the case for luck before seating the bullet?

Now that's funny!!

primerman · March 19, 2012, 02:34 AM

Win primers seem to go off quit easily in my press/hand loader. "I've only had 6 or 7 go off" but the win's are the only ones that have. "Mostly my fault, ok it's all my fault"

. "You know if it don't fit don't force it" I've had a few Rems that would not fire and a couple of the Wins but I must point out that all I load are small pistol primers. I have no plans to buy any more Rems or Wins but only because I am able "So far" to buy the cci primers cheaper. Actually I don't support Rem anymore but that is for personal reasons.

March 17, 2012, 07:00 PM	#27
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,930	Do not feel too bad. I had a CCI 400 blow out on me today. In fact none of the primer was left. Lucky it did not heavily damage my rifle. A little soot on the bolt face, and loose extractor. I did have to change the part that holds my extractor in because I lost the original somewhere in the grass where I was shooting. It fell out of my butter fingers when I was trying to get it back in. Luckily the range manager had a few spare parts with him in his range bag. All of the other rounds fired just fine. I have not a slight clue as to why it blew out. The brass was on its confirmed 3rd firing, the charge was weighed, and confirmed on 3 scales. COL of each round was within normal limits. I am still scratching my head. I will post a pic of the brass and the extractor here in a bit. I finished the work for the day, and am cooling off with an ice cold Ice House. Prosit. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

March 18, 2012, 03:50 PM	#28
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	StraightShot, Did they tell you to stop spitting into the case for luck before seating the bullet? Their customer service sounds like a lot of software customer service I've dealt with, always assuming an idiot customer because, unfortunately, that's often the problem, and they seem surprised when it isn't. So, the primers fired but didn't ignite the powder which isn't their fault. Yeah, that's helpful. It does make me think you might weigh the primers before loading them to see if any are obviously light or heavy (lack of compound or addition of contaminate). I would also look carefully for signs of contamination on the anvil side (discoloration and whatnot). __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 19, 2012, 12:42 AM	#29
medalguy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,033	*Did they tell you to stop spitting into the case for luck before seating the bullet?* Now that's funny!!

March 19, 2012, 02:34 AM	#30
primerman Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2011 Posts: 153	Win primers seem to go off quit easily in my press/hand loader. "I've only had 6 or 7 go off" but the win's are the only ones that have. "Mostly my fault, ok it's all my fault" . "You know if it don't fit don't force it" I've had a few Rems that would not fire and a couple of the Wins but I must point out that all I load are small pistol primers. I have no plans to buy any more Rems or Wins but only because I am able "So far" to buy the cci primers cheaper. Actually I don't support Rem anymore but that is for personal reasons.