Why do some people look behind them.... - Page 3

MLeake · March 11, 2013, 07:50 PM

Jskd82, you make strong claims, but don't back them in any way.

I know some guys who do get access to 360 ranges, but you don't strike me as one of them from your attitude or your attempts at mysterious cool.

Jskd82 · March 11, 2013, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLeake

manta49, if you have to ask who Massad Ayoob and Rob Pincus are (both are cops, very well known instructors, grandmaster competitive shooters - Mas is a grandmaster in ALL IDPA categories, and gun writers - I have been reading articles and books by Mas for 28 years) then your ability to give advice on this topic is definitely questionable.

LOL just because he doesn't know about someone or hasn't read the persons book doesn't mean he doesn't have knowledge on the topic... I'm not saying he does but your statement is pretty ignorant.

Jskd82 · March 11, 2013, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLeake

Jskd82, you make strong claims, but don't back them in any way.

I know some guys who do get access to 360 ranges, but you don't strike me as one of them from your attitude or your attempts at mysterious cool.

I'm not trying to be cool or never claimed to be anything

MLeake · March 11, 2013, 07:58 PM

Anybody who claims to follow handgun defensive theory who has never heard of Ayoob or Pincus is immediately suspect.

I am not a fan of Gabe Suarez, but I have heard of the man and have some idea of who he is and what he teaches.

I have not met Clint Smith, but am aware of him.

Also, if manta49 were really serious, rather than attempting to be dismissive, he could have very easily found out who the people he was dismissing were. He didn't, so he ended up looking foolish. That's on him.

As for you, the "LOL" really removes you from the category you'd like to imply you are in.

MLeake · March 11, 2013, 08:02 PM

Jskd82 said,

Quote:

I'm not trying to be cool or never claimed to be anything

Well, now that you have gone back and edited that post, you aren't claiming anything... Nice revisionist history.

You implied that your training was much better than that provided by Rob or Mas, right up until you edited that post. You implied that you were high-speed low-drag... and then you come up with LOL and smilies...

Frankly, you are going on my ignore list.

Jskd82 · March 11, 2013, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLeake

Anybody who claims to follow handgun defensive theory who has never heard of Ayoob or Pincus is immediately suspect.

I am not a fan of Gabe Suarez, but I have heard of the man and have some idea of who he is and what he teaches.

I have not met Clint Smith, but am aware of him.

Also, if manta49 were really serious, rather than attempting to be dismissive, he could have very easily found out who the people he was dismissing were. He didn't, so he ended up looking foolish. That's on him.

As for you, the "LOL" really removes you from the category you'd like to imply you are in.

Keep ASSuming

don't think I ever implied anything ..... unlike you who "reads books" so that must make you an "expert" and knowing someone automatically gives you street creds

Good luck I'm done with this conversation!

MLeake · March 11, 2013, 08:07 PM

Yes, I read books, and shoot IDPA...

... and qualified Expert pistol and rifle with the Navy and the Army....

... and have attended shooting courses taught by Mas Ayoob, as well as by ODA guys from a CJSOTF I worked with...

... and building clearing courses at Fort Jackson...

... and another shooting course at Fort Bragg, taught by AFSOC instructors...

... and training while attached to a security unit...

... and none of the 1st MAR, Combat Controller, SEAL, or SF guys I know talk like you do.

Evan Thomas · March 11, 2013, 10:06 PM

And that's enough bickering for one thread...

March 11, 2013, 10:06 PM	#58
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March 11, 2013, 07:50 PM	#51
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Jskd82, you make strong claims, but don't back them in any way. I know some guys who do get access to 360 ranges, but you don't strike me as one of them from your attitude or your attempts at mysterious cool.

March 11, 2013, 07:58 PM	#54
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Anybody who claims to follow handgun defensive theory who has never heard of Ayoob or Pincus is immediately suspect. I am not a fan of Gabe Suarez, but I have heard of the man and have some idea of who he is and what he teaches. I have not met Clint Smith, but am aware of him. Also, if manta49 were really serious, rather than attempting to be dismissive, he could have very easily found out who the people he was dismissing were. He didn't, so he ended up looking foolish. That's on him. As for you, the "LOL" really removes you from the category you'd like to imply you are in.

March 11, 2013, 08:07 PM	#57
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Yes, I read books, and shoot IDPA... ... and qualified Expert pistol and rifle with the Navy and the Army.... ... and have attended shooting courses taught by Mas Ayoob, as well as by ODA guys from a CJSOTF I worked with... ... and building clearing courses at Fort Jackson... ... and another shooting course at Fort Bragg, taught by AFSOC instructors... ... and training while attached to a security unit... ... and none of the 1st MAR, Combat Controller, SEAL, or SF guys I know talk like you do.