Calif. Assembly bans open carry of unloaded guns

Don H · May 16, 2011, 09:25 PM

May 16th - 6:41pm
The California Assembly approved a bill Monday to prohibit openly carrying unloaded handguns in public after a debate that pitted gun rights proponents against chiefs of police.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=15572735

Hopefully this will get killed in the Senate but I have no idea whether the Senate has the political will to kill it. Note that a similar bill didn't make it last year.

Davey · May 16, 2011, 09:30 PM

So then all California will have is may issue for concealed?

Alaska444 · May 16, 2011, 09:59 PM

I decided a while back that it was time to leave CA and this is just one more confirmation that it is time. I am licensed to carry in three separate states, but not my state of residence of CA. Well, quite soon, my state of residence will be Idaho. Unfortunately, i can't quite escape all together, but we are working on permanent plan to get out lock, stock and barrel soon. I see no sensibility coming to this state anytime soon. Sad to see such a wonderful state imploding upon itself under the hand of socialism while so many other states are enacting more freedoms and confirming more individual rights. Go figure, but that is the CA way. Sad to see this coming. I wonder what a court challenge will state?

Jim March · May 17, 2011, 12:47 AM

Oh that's hilarious. Read the ruling today from Judge England in the Yolo County case linked at:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=433595

Upshot: "CCW can be restricted because the gun nuts still have unloaded open carry".

Snerk.

I'll be appealed of course, same as Peruta. Or the USSC will take up the MD case under Halbrook and make it all moot.

jmortimer · May 17, 2011, 08:27 AM

This state blows. The Senate will easily pass the bill and Brown will sign it. Let's just say the wrong party controls this state top to bottom.

jgcoastie · May 17, 2011, 08:30 AM

By "wrong party", do you mean Californians? I didnt realize there was another political party in that state.

I figured Dems and Repubs was just different brands of button-makers in CA....

jmortimer · May 17, 2011, 09:17 AM

"I figured Dems and Repubs was just different brands of button-makers in CA...."
Don't want to name names but if you lived here you would know what is going on. Most everything goes down party line - period. In fact I'll get vote if possible and update this. Without have seen the "roll call" I have no doubt how it went down.
P.S.S Here is start -"It was approved 45-29 largely along party lines and moves to the Senate."
Now I'll get the facts and I bet "largely" is more than "largely."
P.S. From 5-9-11 Gold Coast Patriots - "Assembly Bill 144 by Anthony Portantino passed on a B Roll Call Vote (every Democrat in favor and every Republican opposed). AB 144 bans the practice commonly referred to as open carry. To view who voted in favor of stripping you of your constitutional right to keep and bear arms and who voted to preserve your freedom click here"
P.S.S.S Here is exactly what I knew all along and the lying P.C. media lied again - "Largely" - what a load - Sacamento Bee Article 5-17-11 "Monday's Assembly vote was 46-29, with no GOP support."
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/17/363...#ixzz1McZLBLOd
Bottom line, I did not have to even look to know how this went down and I was right. So again I won't name names but facts are hard things for liberals.

thallub · May 17, 2011, 01:19 PM

Years ago a person could openly carry a loaded gun in CA. In 1967 CA politicians got scared of the Black Panthers: They passed the Mulford Act that outlawed the carry of loaded guns in public. The Mulford Act was signed into law by CA governor Ronald Reagan.

Now CA politicans want to take away unloaded guns too.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/2/s12031

Alaska444 · May 17, 2011, 02:48 PM

Sadly, the vast rural areas of CA are outnumbered by the urban centers that control the politics through the democratic party. Most folks are unaware of how many conservative Republicans are held hostage by these large population centers. It only gets worse, not better for those of us that have a love of constitutional freedoms but are suppressed by the large moocher society.

jmortimer · May 17, 2011, 03:44 PM

Exactly

**Tom Servo** · May 17, 2011, 04:27 PM

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I'll be appealed of course, same as Peruta. Or the USSC will take up the MD case under Halbrook and make it all moot.

Very true. I still have to wonder if it wouldn't have come to a head if not for all the folks "pushing the envelope."

HoraceHogsnort · May 17, 2011, 07:45 PM

The Calif. Assembly hasen't banned anything. They voted to pass the bill out of the Assembly with a yes vote and send it to the state Senate. If the Senate approves it then it goes to the governor for his signature, which is not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.

Don H · May 17, 2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoraceHogsnort

If the Senate approves it then it goes to the governor for his signature, which is not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.

You really think Jerry would pass up a chance to sign a bill like this?

M38 Mosin Nagant · May 17, 2011, 08:32 PM

Everyone knows that unloaded handguns are highly dangerous and can be used to kill up to 300 people within 30 seconds.

Wish the people who sign these laws into place would grow a brain.

Kreyzhorse · May 17, 2011, 08:38 PM

Off target of course...... but I'd guess Arnold wishes he carried an unloaded gun....

IZinterrogator · May 17, 2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Very true. I still have to wonder if it wouldn't have come to a head if not for all the folks "legally and peacefully exercising their rights."

Fixed it for ya.

**Tom Servo** · May 17, 2011, 09:12 PM

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Fixed it for ya.

Nope. We can agree to disagree on the intent, but the result is staring us in the face. A couple of years ago, this wasn't an issue. Then we had organized displays of firearms in public. Now there's a legislative push to ban it.

I've little doubt that the situation in California will be resolved and ameliorated in the courts, but when it is, this phenomenon will not have been the cause.

IZinterrogator · May 17, 2011, 10:04 PM

Tom, it would not have been an issue if the media had not jumped on the story and started screaming the sky is falling. OC happens everyday next door in AZ and nothing happens. They have OC dinners there too and the media doesn't cover it, so no one makes it an issue. Blame the politicians and media folks who have an agenda, not the OC crowd.

HoraceHogsnort · May 20, 2011, 11:45 PM

Tom, it would not have been an issue if the media had not jumped on the story and started screaming the sky is falling. OC happens everyday next door in AZ and nothing happens. They have OC dinners there too and the media doesn't cover it, so no one makes it an issue. Blame the politicians and media folks who have an agenda, not the OC crowd.
__________________

Amen to that.

**Tom Servo** · May 21, 2011, 07:25 AM

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Tom, it would not have been an issue if the media had not jumped on the story

Wasn't that exactly what the people doing it wanted, though? They were looking for attention, and they got it. It backfired.

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OC happens everyday next door in AZ and nothing happens.

California and Arizona are very different states. That shouldn't need pointing out.

Johannes_Paulsen · May 21, 2011, 07:34 AM

Jerry Brown may be more reasonable than some of y'all are giving him credit for being....

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Originally Posted by http://volokh.com/2011/04/12/california-gov-jerry-brown-on-guns/

“I’ve got three guns and one dog,” he [Brown] told the Alliance of California Law Enforcement....

...

Note that, though Brown backed a “moratorium on the sale of guns” in 1992, in 2009 he filed a brief supporting the incorporation of the Second Amendment against the states and concluding that people have a “constitutional right to possess handguns in their homes.”

Hardly perfect...but it doesn't necessarily make it a slam-dunk that he'll sign such a law.

Single Six · May 21, 2011, 07:48 AM

I truly do feel bad for our pro-gun friends in California. To have this kind of liberal lunacy prevailing in such a gorgeous state is a great shame. Nevertheless, this sort of nonsense is one reason why I keep all of my wanderings confined to Dixie.

May 16, 2011, 09:25 PM	#1
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	Calif. Assembly bans open carry of unloaded guns May 16th - 6:41pm The California Assembly approved a bill Monday to prohibit openly carrying unloaded handguns in public after a debate that pitted gun rights proponents against chiefs of police. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=15572735 Hopefully this will get killed in the Senate but I have no idea whether the Senate has the political will to kill it. Note that a similar bill didn't make it last year. __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

May 17, 2011, 12:47 AM	#4
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Oh that's hilarious. Read the ruling today from Judge England in the Yolo County case linked at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=433595 Upshot: "CCW can be restricted because the gun nuts still have unloaded open carry". Snerk. I'll be appealed of course, same as Peruta. Or the USSC will take up the MD case under Halbrook and make it all moot. __________________ Jim March

May 17, 2011, 08:30 AM	#6
jgcoastie Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 2,118	By "wrong party", do you mean Californians? I didnt realize there was another political party in that state. I figured Dems and Repubs was just different brands of button-makers in CA.... __________________ "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.

May 17, 2011, 09:17 AM	#7
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	"I figured Dems and Repubs was just different brands of button-makers in CA...." Don't want to name names but if you lived here you would know what is going on. Most everything goes down party line - period. In fact I'll get vote if possible and update this. Without have seen the "roll call" I have no doubt how it went down. P.S.S Here is start -"It was approved 45-29 largely along party lines and moves to the Senate." Now I'll get the facts and I bet "largely" is more than "largely." P.S. From 5-9-11 Gold Coast Patriots - "Assembly Bill 144 by Anthony Portantino passed on a B Roll Call Vote (every Democrat in favor and every Republican opposed). AB 144 bans the practice commonly referred to as open carry. To view who voted in favor of stripping you of your constitutional right to keep and bear arms and who voted to preserve your freedom click here" P.S.S.S Here is exactly what I knew all along and the lying P.C. media lied again - "Largely" - what a load - Sacamento Bee Article 5-17-11 "Monday's Assembly vote was 46-29, with no GOP support." Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/17/363...#ixzz1McZLBLOd Bottom line, I did not have to even look to know how this went down and I was right. So again I won't name names but facts are hard things for liberals. Last edited by jmortimer; May 17, 2011 at 10:01 AM.

May 17, 2011, 08:32 PM	#14
M38 Mosin Nagant Junior Member Join Date: May 17, 2011 Posts: 10	Everyone knows that unloaded handguns are highly dangerous and can be used to kill up to 300 people within 30 seconds. Wish the people who sign these laws into place would grow a brain. Last edited by M38 Mosin Nagant; May 17, 2011 at 08:33 PM. Reason: Mispelling of the word "within"

May 16, 2011, 09:30 PM	#2
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	So then all California will have is may issue for concealed?

May 16, 2011, 09:59 PM	#3
Alaska444 Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2010 Posts: 1,231	I decided a while back that it was time to leave CA and this is just one more confirmation that it is time. I am licensed to carry in three separate states, but not my state of residence of CA. Well, quite soon, my state of residence will be Idaho. Unfortunately, i can't quite escape all together, but we are working on permanent plan to get out lock, stock and barrel soon. I see no sensibility coming to this state anytime soon. Sad to see such a wonderful state imploding upon itself under the hand of socialism while so many other states are enacting more freedoms and confirming more individual rights. Go figure, but that is the CA way. Sad to see this coming. I wonder what a court challenge will state?

May 17, 2011, 08:27 AM	#5
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	This state blows. The Senate will easily pass the bill and Brown will sign it. Let's just say the wrong party controls this state top to bottom.

May 17, 2011, 01:19 PM	#8
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Years ago a person could openly carry a loaded gun in CA. In 1967 CA politicians got scared of the Black Panthers: They passed the Mulford Act that outlawed the carry of loaded guns in public. The Mulford Act was signed into law by CA governor Ronald Reagan. Now CA politicans want to take away unloaded guns too. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/2/s12031

May 17, 2011, 02:48 PM	#9
Alaska444 Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2010 Posts: 1,231	Sadly, the vast rural areas of CA are outnumbered by the urban centers that control the politics through the democratic party. Most folks are unaware of how many conservative Republicans are held hostage by these large population centers. It only gets worse, not better for those of us that have a love of constitutional freedoms but are suppressed by the large moocher society.

May 17, 2011, 03:44 PM	#10
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	Exactly

May 17, 2011, 07:45 PM	#12
HoraceHogsnort Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Stanislaus Co., Mexifornia Posts: 615	The Calif. Assembly hasen't banned anything. They voted to pass the bill out of the Assembly with a yes vote and send it to the state Senate. If the Senate approves it then it goes to the governor for his signature, which is not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.

May 17, 2011, 08:38 PM	#15
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	Off target of course...... but I'd guess Arnold wishes he carried an unloaded gun.... __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

May 17, 2011, 10:04 PM	#18
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,457	Tom, it would not have been an issue if the media had not jumped on the story and started screaming the sky is falling. OC happens everyday next door in AZ and nothing happens. They have OC dinners there too and the media doesn't cover it, so no one makes it an issue. Blame the politicians and media folks who have an agenda, not the OC crowd. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams Last edited by IZinterrogator; May 17, 2011 at 10:11 PM.

May 20, 2011, 11:45 PM	#19
HoraceHogsnort Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Stanislaus Co., Mexifornia Posts: 615	Tom, it would not have been an issue if the media had not jumped on the story and started screaming the sky is falling. OC happens everyday next door in AZ and nothing happens. They have OC dinners there too and the media doesn't cover it, so no one makes it an issue. Blame the politicians and media folks who have an agenda, not the OC crowd. __________________ Amen to that.

May 21, 2011, 07:48 AM	#22
Single Six Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2010 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,522	I truly do feel bad for our pro-gun friends in California. To have this kind of liberal lunacy prevailing in such a gorgeous state is a great shame. Nevertheless, this sort of nonsense is one reason why I keep all of my wanderings confined to Dixie. __________________ Seen on a bumper sticker: "Exercise. Eat right. Take vitamins. Die anyway."