Short Length of Pull

ChessieFan · April 2, 2012, 11:05 PM

I am new to this forum and hope I have I found a place to answer my question. I am a little person and my length of pull is only 11.5 inches. I do a lot of waterfowling and would love to get an auto that can be cut down to that. I bought a Benelli Vinci but the recoil is pretty good by the time I had the stock shortened, it took most of their recoil system out. Hoping to go gas for recoil reasons. So far the gunsmiths I haved talked to said it cannot be done but I still think there is someone that can. Anyone have any ideas. Looking for a 12ga 3"..Thanks

CowTowner · April 3, 2012, 06:28 AM

It isn't gas and I do not know if it would fit in the shortened stock, but.........
You might want to look at this type of recoil reduction:
http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/

ironhat · April 3, 2012, 09:09 AM

Why don't you call a different 'smith - I know, you have called them all, but I would try John Taylor. He says on his FAQ page that he prefers to talk with a potential client to see what they need. Give it a try. Couldn't hurt.

oneoldsap · April 3, 2012, 01:17 PM

Whether gas operated or recoil operated , the stock is still full of springs and stuff , all the way to the end of the butt . You might want to give some thought to switching to a pump action , much easier to cut down , although I've never cut one that short . I don't know what you would use for a pad , but it would be a glue on job for sure , as there won't be enough stock left to put screws in . Then again , you might not have enough reach to operate a pump . Interesting conundrum for sure !

tango1niner · April 4, 2012, 09:56 AM

pumps are usually lighter and will recoil more but the butt stock can be modified w/no problem. Check into recoil reducing products that could be fit in the stock. My Ithaca Deerslayer II with the 25" rifled barrel fitted with a 3-9 x 40 scope is much heaviER than my Ithaca with a bird barrel and kicks like a mule with 3" mags when shooting at paper, however when I've shot at fur I really don't notice it. Kinda makes my cheeks hurt with that big grin when I see hooves pointing skyward!

RedBowTies88 · April 4, 2012, 09:59 AM

You could get a saiga 12 and throw a warsaw legnth stock on it.

barstoolguru · April 4, 2012, 10:31 AM

they make light loads for recoil sensitive people

Edward429451 · April 4, 2012, 10:53 AM

The correct LOP of the gun to the shooter will reduce perceived felt recoil. I would suggest starting with a youth stock. Which, IIRC, is 12" LOP?

oneoldsap · April 5, 2012, 05:46 PM

Light loads aren't really an option for Waterfowling , no nads .

ChessieFan · April 5, 2012, 10:02 PM

Thanks for the replies.. I have shot a pump and yes the action is tougher and slower to work with my LOP.. I have a Ruger Red Label 20ga. and have used it for years but just starting to shoot a lot more geese especially snows and wanted to go with the 12 and can use that 3rd round a lot!! The Vinci goes short enough but I can only take recoil up to a point. I will keep looking and look into all the replies so far.. Thanks again to all...

April 2, 2012, 11:05 PM	#1
ChessieFan Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2012 Posts: 2	Short Length of Pull I am new to this forum and hope I have I found a place to answer my question. I am a little person and my length of pull is only 11.5 inches. I do a lot of waterfowling and would love to get an auto that can be cut down to that. I bought a Benelli Vinci but the recoil is pretty good by the time I had the stock shortened, it took most of their recoil system out. Hoping to go gas for recoil reasons. So far the gunsmiths I haved talked to said it cannot be done but I still think there is someone that can. Anyone have any ideas. Looking for a 12ga 3"..Thanks

April 3, 2012, 06:28 AM	#2
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	It isn't gas and I do not know if it would fit in the shortened stock, but......... You might want to look at this type of recoil reduction: http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/ __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

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April 3, 2012, 09:09 AM	#3
ironhat Member Join Date: January 12, 2006 Location: South-central PA Posts: 27	Why don't you call a different 'smith - I know, you have called them all, but I would try John Taylor. He says on his FAQ page that he prefers to talk with a potential client to see what they need. Give it a try. Couldn't hurt.

April 3, 2012, 01:17 PM	#4
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Whether gas operated or recoil operated , the stock is still full of springs and stuff , all the way to the end of the butt . You might want to give some thought to switching to a pump action , much easier to cut down , although I've never cut one that short . I don't know what you would use for a pad , but it would be a glue on job for sure , as there won't be enough stock left to put screws in . Then again , you might not have enough reach to operate a pump . Interesting conundrum for sure !

April 4, 2012, 09:56 AM	#5
tango1niner Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: NY Posts: 317	pumps are usually lighter and will recoil more but the butt stock can be modified w/no problem. Check into recoil reducing products that could be fit in the stock. My Ithaca Deerslayer II with the 25" rifled barrel fitted with a 3-9 x 40 scope is much heaviER than my Ithaca with a bird barrel and kicks like a mule with 3" mags when shooting at paper, however when I've shot at fur I really don't notice it. Kinda makes my cheeks hurt with that big grin when I see hooves pointing skyward!

April 4, 2012, 10:31 AM	#7
barstoolguru Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2011 Posts: 180	they make light loads for recoil sensitive people

April 4, 2012, 10:53 AM	#8
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	The correct LOP of the gun to the shooter will reduce perceived felt recoil. I would suggest starting with a youth stock. Which, IIRC, is 12" LOP?

April 5, 2012, 05:46 PM	#9
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Light loads aren't really an option for Waterfowling , no nads .

April 5, 2012, 10:02 PM	#10
ChessieFan Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2012 Posts: 2	Thanks for the replies.. I have shot a pump and yes the action is tougher and slower to work with my LOP.. I have a Ruger Red Label 20ga. and have used it for years but just starting to shoot a lot more geese especially snows and wanted to go with the 12 and can use that 3rd round a lot!! The Vinci goes short enough but I can only take recoil up to a point. I will keep looking and look into all the replies so far.. Thanks again to all...