NYPD Payed a visit to my house

threewishes · May 23, 2009, 01:58 PM

Is this legal?

Read the complete thread here:

http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/m-1243034646/

Kmar40 · May 23, 2009, 02:42 PM

Did you let them in? The answer appears to be yes, so it's legal.

bclark1 · May 23, 2009, 02:59 PM

Indeed, it seems there was plenty of consent to the search.

As for my own feelings: "And I thought Illinois was bad."

Keltyke · May 23, 2009, 03:37 PM

You let them in and answered their questions. That makes it all legal. However...

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I went downstairs, greeted them and what not and they told me I could bring the guns to the door for them to inspect.

(Speaking through a closed storm door with the officers OUTSIDE the residence.) "I'm sorry, officer, I can't do that. Please return with a search warrant explaining exactly what you want to look for and I'll comply with it."

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How many guns do you own?

"I'm sorry, officer, I refuse to answer without my lawyer present. What is the purpose of this interrogation?"

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Do you have a pistol permit also, where is it?

Unless it's a state law that you show your permit on demand, see the above answer.

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Is your gun loaded?

See above.

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Wow, how much money did you spend on that M4?

"That's not really any of your concern, officer."

NEVER give away your rights.

Brian Pfleuger · May 23, 2009, 04:10 PM

That would only ever happen in NY city. The rest of the state has no registration on long guns and FTF transfers are perfectly legal.

**Bud Helms** · May 23, 2009, 06:04 PM

From the LIF.com link provided:

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The gun I was concerned about was my Benelli M4, which is configured NYC compliant, they took a look at that along with my Ruger 10/22, matched the serial numbers, looked at my permit, said thank you have a good night and went on their way.

I take it that this means they matched the serial no on each permit to the serial no on the permit for that firearm.

I guess, I'm wondering if this kind of visit is not covered under the circumstances of having a permit issued. Did any of the instructions or other accompanying literature along the way of obtaining a permit state that this kind of visit might be conducted? It would not surprise me to discover a paragraph that included a statement the lines of "Here's your permit that contains the ser no of your Benelli M4. Oh, by the way, NYPD has the authority to, at some random point in time, visit at the residence address on this permit and verify compliance with all requirements of the ordinance that governs its issue. blah, blah, blah."
Something along those lines. A compliance inspection.

After all, that's all it seems to have been. For all it seems that could happen in an antigun environment such as NYC, this appears to have been a fairly straight forward compliance check. But apparently it is unusual. Is that right?

threewishes · May 23, 2009, 06:48 PM

I welcome all your replies at the site, which for this purpose opened the thread up for all to reply. See you there.

Swampghost · May 23, 2009, 06:56 PM

You Yankees really got it tough, I've never heard of such a thing south of the Mason-Dixon line.

threewishes · May 23, 2009, 07:00 PM

Yea it really sticks to live here. We can only go to/from the range with our handguns

threewishes · May 23, 2009, 07:50 PM

Woah, according to the site another person got a knock on their door!

Hunley · May 23, 2009, 09:28 PM

And this is why I could never go to NYC on vacation. I CC when I travel, and if I had to use it to defend my life I would go to jail for having it. Lovely...

**Mike Irwin** · May 24, 2009, 12:48 AM

Leave the references to Nazis, Hitler, Fascists, etc., OUT of this thread, folks. If that's the best that you can do, then don't.

If anyone wonders why their post might have disappeared, see the above paragraphs.

Edward429451 · May 24, 2009, 08:14 AM

But their good analogys mike! Geez

vranasaurus · May 24, 2009, 09:40 AM

This is why registration is a horrible idea. It give the police too much information about law abiding citizens and it leads to police doing "compliance checks" and questioning citizens absent any probable cuase to believe a crime has been committed..

bclark1 · May 24, 2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bud Helms

I guess, I'm wondering if this kind of visit is not covered under the circumstances of having a permit issued.

I think it must be. And to the people that'd refuse consent, even if that would work, I am sure that would bring them back with a warrant. Unless I actually had something to hide, I would NOT want to deal with the type of entry and attitude that typically accompanies a warrant to search for weapons.

srt 10 jimbo · May 24, 2009, 07:58 PM

Man, they sure cant do that here in Florida.

chbnc · May 25, 2009, 09:44 AM

I used to live on Long Island and I had a "concealed carry permit" while there. It only allowed carry to and from a range or while hunting. Wouldn't even think of carrying otherwise, probably land up in jail. It is very refreshing to live in an area that realizes our right to carry. It is too bad that NY and many other states have felt it necessary to restrict the law abiding citizens and not the true criminals.

Nate1778 · May 25, 2009, 10:48 AM

Thats funny, here in Kentucky, if a cop asks to see your gun its cause he is about to shoot it, at the range. That would suck..........

fisherman66 · May 25, 2009, 11:11 AM

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NEVER give away your rights.

I couldn't agree more. Damand due process.

johnbt · May 25, 2009, 12:37 PM

nevermind, he posted it in Legal. JT

(BH) · May 25, 2009, 08:29 PM

if you let em' in... its all pretty much fair game

J.Smith · May 30, 2009, 12:36 PM

Yeah here in VA the proper response would be no but please feel free to come back with a search warrant. I don't have anything to hide, but I'm not going to have a bunch of LEOs walking around my house for no reason either. My rights are my rights and I'll exercise them as I see fit.

shortwave · May 30, 2009, 04:34 PM

What J.Smith said...

Levant · May 30, 2009, 05:45 PM

I think the OP from LIF did the right thing. Why make a fight of something that isn't a fight. You have a city issued permit; the city is probably legally allowed to ensure compliance with that permit.

I think there's no story in this story.

Now, the fact that NYC makes it so hard to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights in the first place, or even requires the permits, well, that's a story.

Owens187 · June 3, 2009, 03:30 AM

And I thought Killafornia was bad!!

May 23, 2009, 01:58 PM	#1
threewishes Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Posts: 19	NYPD Payed a visit to my house Is this legal? Read the complete thread here: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/m-1243034646/

May 23, 2009, 04:10 PM	#5
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	That would only ever happen in NY city. The rest of the state has no registration on long guns and FTF transfers are perfectly legal. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

May 23, 2009, 06:56 PM	#8
Swampghost Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: Florida, east coast Posts: 2,106	You Yankees really got it tough, I've never heard of such a thing south of the Mason-Dixon line. __________________ NRA Patron Member

May 23, 2009, 09:28 PM	#11
Hunley Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Location: Statesboro, GA Posts: 241	And this is why I could never go to NYC on vacation. I CC when I travel, and if I had to use it to defend my life I would go to jail for having it. Lovely... __________________ "The best caliber and round for self defense are the ones in the gun closest to you" - My Grandfather

May 24, 2009, 12:48 AM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	Leave the references to Nazis, Hitler, Fascists, etc., OUT of this thread, folks. If that's the best that you can do, then don't. If anyone wonders why their post might have disappeared, see the above paragraphs. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 23, 2009, 02:42 PM	#2
Kmar40 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 668	Did you let them in? The answer appears to be yes, so it's legal.

May 23, 2009, 02:59 PM	#3
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	Indeed, it seems there was plenty of consent to the search. As for my own feelings: "And I thought Illinois was bad."

May 23, 2009, 06:48 PM	#7
threewishes Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Posts: 19	I welcome all your replies at the site, which for this purpose opened the thread up for all to reply. See you there.

May 23, 2009, 07:00 PM	#9
threewishes Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Posts: 19	Yea it really sticks to live here. We can only go to/from the range with our handguns

May 23, 2009, 07:50 PM	#10
threewishes Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Posts: 19	Woah, according to the site another person got a knock on their door!

May 24, 2009, 08:14 AM	#13
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	But their good analogys mike! Geez

May 24, 2009, 09:40 AM	#14
vranasaurus Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2008 Posts: 1,184	This is why registration is a horrible idea. It give the police too much information about law abiding citizens and it leads to police doing "compliance checks" and questioning citizens absent any probable cuase to believe a crime has been committed..

May 24, 2009, 07:58 PM	#16
srt 10 jimbo Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2008 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 955	Man, they sure cant do that here in Florida.

May 25, 2009, 09:44 AM	#17
chbnc Junior Member Join Date: May 24, 2009 Location: Moyock, North Carolina Posts: 2	I used to live on Long Island and I had a "concealed carry permit" while there. It only allowed carry to and from a range or while hunting. Wouldn't even think of carrying otherwise, probably land up in jail. It is very refreshing to live in an area that realizes our right to carry. It is too bad that NY and many other states have felt it necessary to restrict the law abiding citizens and not the true criminals.

May 25, 2009, 10:48 AM	#18
Nate1778 Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Louisville Ky Posts: 312	Thats funny, here in Kentucky, if a cop asks to see your gun its cause he is about to shoot it, at the range. That would suck.......... __________________ "And finally, the Baby Bear looked and he said, "Somebody's sleeping in my bed, and the bastard's still there!" But Goldylocks had a Remington semi-automatic, with a scope and a hair-trigger!"

May 25, 2009, 12:37 PM	#20
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	nevermind, he posted it in Legal. JT

May 25, 2009, 08:29 PM	#21
(BH) Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: East TN Posts: 638	if you let em' in... its all pretty much fair game

May 30, 2009, 12:36 PM	#22
J.Smith Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2008 Location: Hampton Roads,VA / Wise Co. VA Posts: 157	Yeah here in VA the proper response would be no but please feel free to come back with a search warrant. I don't have anything to hide, but I'm not going to have a bunch of LEOs walking around my house for no reason either. My rights are my rights and I'll exercise them as I see fit.

May 30, 2009, 04:34 PM	#23
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	What J.Smith said...

May 30, 2009, 05:45 PM	#24
Levant Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2008 Posts: 182	I think the OP from LIF did the right thing. Why make a fight of something that isn't a fight. You have a city issued permit; the city is probably legally allowed to ensure compliance with that permit. I think there's no story in this story. Now, the fact that NYC makes it so hard to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights in the first place, or even requires the permits, well, that's a story.

June 3, 2009, 03:30 AM	#25
Owens187 Member Join Date: May 6, 2009 Location: Peoples Republik of Killifornia Posts: 34	And I thought Killafornia was bad!! __________________ Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.... ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!!