AR 15 in 5.56 cal.for deer hunting? - Page 2

Isaiah · February 18, 2015, 08:53 AM

I'd keep the 30-06 but with the right bullet and shot placement a 223 will work

tahunua001 · February 19, 2015, 03:55 PM

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A single blade of grass 12" in front of a 30.06 muzzle will throw a bullet off several feet at 100 yards.

can you please cite your source for this comment? I'm not saying that shooting in tall grass wont change the trajectory of a bullet, but claiming a single blade of grass will cause several minutes shift in trajectory is pushing it. I've fired everything from 22s, through 30 cals in tall grass and in the most extreme cases I've seen a foot or so deviation at 100 yards, but that was a light, slow bullet, and I was shooting through a lot more than a single blade of grass.

sfwusc · February 19, 2015, 04:23 PM

One blade of grass moving a bullet that much seems crazy.

skizzums · February 19, 2015, 04:32 PM

a blade of grass, even tall wheat grass is not going to throw a bullet of by several FEET at a mere 100 yards. I hope you meant several centimeters. c'mon man

mardanlin · February 21, 2015, 01:38 PM

Lots of people say it's perfectly fine but you will never catch me using that small of a bullet on anything bigger than a Coyote. Stop being a cheap ass and buy a 308 AR if you want to hunt deer with it. Not worth the risk if you care about the suffering of the animal.

A 22lr CAN kill a deer, but SHOULD you use it? Hell no. That's exactly how I feel about the 223 for deer. Lots of guys do it for a "told you so" effect, to which I say, "cool story man now get the hell out of the woods city boy."

To the OP: I wouldn't sell the 30-06, it's arguably one of the best deer cartridges of all time.

To the guy with the photo: if it's ethical why did you cut your face out of the photo? See my comment above and stop being a cheap ass.

tahunua001 · February 21, 2015, 06:03 PM

well first of all, I cut the face because it's not me, it's my brother and I have not been authorized to post his face all over the interweb. it was my gun though, so I felt free to leave that in the picture.

second, because if 7 years of working in the information systems analysis and information technology fields have taught me anything it's to not go spreading your face for everyone to see, hence none of my pictures have my face, even the ones other people find ethical.

and third, that AR15 cost me twice as much as a decent bolt action in an "ethical" caliber so really being cheap has nothing to do with it. I have also killed deer with 9mm AR15s which cost just as much, and my personal favorite, the "unethical act" of hunting grouse with a 22LR instead of a 12 gauge like a "real sportsman".

now please, keep your personal attacks to minimum, follow your own ethics, and let other people follow theirs.

EDIT: 22LR can kill deer, it may not be ethical by most people's standards but it can. now I am not advocating the use of 22LR, but the average .223 bullet weighs 37.5% more than the average 22LR bullet, is traveling 200% faster and generates 1000% more energy at the muzzle, so really it is impractical to compare the two based solely on the fact that they have roughly the same diameter. it is like comparing 300 blackout to 300 weathery magnum because both are 30 calibers, would you call hunting an elk with a 30 carbine ethical because it is the same diameter as a 30-06? same basic principle.

BumbleBug · February 21, 2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HotShot

Thanks everyone good dialogue. I think I am going to keep the 06 for deer hunting and the AR 15 for self defense.

An excellent conclusion from this thread!

...bug

Panfisher · February 21, 2015, 06:38 PM

Wow I have some friends who are going to be shocked to find out I am a "city boy". Gotta love it when someone speaks vehemently from their opinions instead of facts. Not many years ago a lot of people believed the .243 wasn't capable or ethical to deer hunt with. I think nearly every reply was more or less that while the .223 will kill deer within it limits, it's certainly not on par with the .30-06.

Art Eatman · February 21, 2015, 07:08 PM

I've messed around with bunches of cartridges over many decades. Until around 2003 or 2004, I was as negative as anybody about using a .223 on Bambi. Somewhen around 2004 or 2005, folks started talking about a differently designed bullet.

Worked nicely on Bambi, within limits. Part of it is distance. Part of it is the point of aim on a deer. R&D by the ammo makers has changed the .223 utility to more than "Just a varmint cartridge."

Still, I'd limit myself to neck shots or cross-body heart/lung shots, and probably not on big heavy deer. Adequate penetration can always be problematic.

February 19, 2015, 04:32 PM	#29
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	a blade of grass, even tall wheat grass is not going to throw a bullet of by several FEET at a mere 100 yards. I hope you meant several centimeters. c'mon man __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

February 21, 2015, 06:03 PM	#31
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	well first of all, I cut the face because it's not me, it's my brother and I have not been authorized to post his face all over the interweb. it was my gun though, so I felt free to leave that in the picture. second, because if 7 years of working in the information systems analysis and information technology fields have taught me anything it's to not go spreading your face for everyone to see, hence none of my pictures have my face, even the ones other people find ethical. and third, that AR15 cost me twice as much as a decent bolt action in an "ethical" caliber so really being cheap has nothing to do with it. I have also killed deer with 9mm AR15s which cost just as much, and my personal favorite, the "unethical act" of hunting grouse with a 22LR instead of a 12 gauge like a "real sportsman". now please, keep your personal attacks to minimum, follow your own ethics, and let other people follow theirs. EDIT: 22LR can kill deer, it may not be ethical by most people's standards but it can. now I am not advocating the use of 22LR, but the average .223 bullet weighs 37.5% more than the average 22LR bullet, is traveling 200% faster and generates 1000% more energy at the muzzle, so really it is impractical to compare the two based solely on the fact that they have roughly the same diameter. it is like comparing 300 blackout to 300 weathery magnum because both are 30 calibers, would you call hunting an elk with a 30 carbine ethical because it is the same diameter as a 30-06? same basic principle. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Last edited by tahunua001; February 21, 2015 at 06:42 PM.

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February 18, 2015, 08:53 AM	#26
Isaiah Junior Member Join Date: January 19, 2015 Posts: 12	I'd keep the 30-06 but with the right bullet and shot placement a 223 will work

February 19, 2015, 04:23 PM	#28
sfwusc Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2013 Posts: 231	One blade of grass moving a bullet that much seems crazy.

February 21, 2015, 01:38 PM	#30
mardanlin Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2013 Posts: 208	Lots of people say it's perfectly fine but you will never catch me using that small of a bullet on anything bigger than a Coyote. Stop being a cheap ass and buy a 308 AR if you want to hunt deer with it. Not worth the risk if you care about the suffering of the animal. A 22lr CAN kill a deer, but SHOULD you use it? Hell no. That's exactly how I feel about the 223 for deer. Lots of guys do it for a "told you so" effect, to which I say, "cool story man now get the hell out of the woods city boy." To the OP: I wouldn't sell the 30-06, it's arguably one of the best deer cartridges of all time. To the guy with the photo: if it's ethical why did you cut your face out of the photo? See my comment above and stop being a cheap ass.

February 21, 2015, 06:38 PM	#33
Panfisher Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,337	Wow I have some friends who are going to be shocked to find out I am a "city boy". Gotta love it when someone speaks vehemently from their opinions instead of facts. Not many years ago a lot of people believed the .243 wasn't capable or ethical to deer hunt with. I think nearly every reply was more or less that while the .223 will kill deer within it limits, it's certainly not on par with the .30-06.

February 21, 2015, 07:08 PM	#34
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	I've messed around with bunches of cartridges over many decades. Until around 2003 or 2004, I was as negative as anybody about using a .223 on Bambi. Somewhen around 2004 or 2005, folks started talking about a differently designed bullet. Worked nicely on Bambi, within limits. Part of it is distance. Part of it is the point of aim on a deer. R&D by the ammo makers has changed the .223 utility to more than "Just a varmint cartridge." Still, I'd limit myself to neck shots or cross-body heart/lung shots, and probably not on big heavy deer. Adequate penetration can always be problematic.