Powder question

Flat Tire · March 19, 2009, 08:40 PM

Is Winchester296 just repackaged Hodgdon H4227 ??

doug66 · March 19, 2009, 09:03 PM

I've read that H110 & W296 were same.

DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ OFF THE INTERNET. Only use recipes from powder manufacturers. Don't substitute components.

SL1 · March 20, 2009, 08:37 AM

If you look at WW-296 and H4227, I think you will easily see that they are different shaped particles. It is H-110 that is supposed to be the same as WW-296.

But, load data in many manuals shows slightly different loads for WW-296 and H-110. Apparently, that is the same type of variation you can find between different lots of WW-296 (or different lots of H-110).

That gives you some idea of why there are recommendations to work-up your loads again whenever you get a new LOT of the same powder you are already using.

SL1

AlaskaMike · March 20, 2009, 09:38 AM

The internet has nothing to do with it--I've heard more ridiculous garbage spouted from "experts" in gun shops. Regardless of where you get something, (and yes, even from a manual) always confirm it with a different authoritative source.

H110 and W296 are very much the same now--current Hodgdon data for the two powders is identical. Considering they are the ones who market both powders, Hodgdon is the authoritative source on this matter.

Mike

a7mmnut · March 20, 2009, 10:25 AM

Maybe now, but not previously. I've loaded several Hornets with W-296. Hodgdon doesn't play nice in skinny little tapered necks, and will burn straight through them.

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Flat Tire · March 20, 2009, 11:13 AM

When you go to the Winchester site they say they use Hodgdon powder for their factory loads. So I downloaded two "powder burn rate" charts and I noticed H110 and H4227 listed next to W296. I guessed the wrong one. In alot of these reloading manuals they don't list every powder. And big company's like winchester put their name on other people's products. How do you get more load charts without buying the book?

Apache6 · March 20, 2009, 11:48 AM

Hodgdon Load Data

crowbeaner · March 20, 2009, 06:00 PM

There are several powders that are marketed by Hodgdon that are the same stuff in different packaging. WW296/H110, WW540/HS6, WW571/HS7, and it wouldn't surprise me if WW760 and H414 are the same. Olin hasn't made powder in quite awhile; most is made at the St. Marks facility in Florida.

W. C. Quantrill · March 20, 2009, 08:50 PM

Hodgdon is becoming a reseller. A lot of their popular H-powders are ADI powders imported from Australia.

RB98SS · March 20, 2009, 08:59 PM

If you go to Hodgdons site and look at the load data provided, you will see that the published loads on their website show that the 296 and H110 loads are EXACTLY the same. I don't know about the past, but I'd say its safe to say they are the same powder now.

March 19, 2009, 08:40 PM	#1
Flat Tire Member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Posts: 59	Powder question Is Winchester296 just repackaged Hodgdon H4227 ??

March 20, 2009, 10:25 AM	#5
a7mmnut Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Location: NC Foothills Posts: 1,150	Maybe now, but not previously. I've loaded several Hornets with W-296. Hodgdon doesn't play nice in skinny little tapered necks, and will burn straight through them. -7- Last edited by a7mmnut; March 20, 2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason: spelling

March 20, 2009, 06:00 PM	#8
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	There are several powders that are marketed by Hodgdon that are the same stuff in different packaging. WW296/H110, WW540/HS6, WW571/HS7, and it wouldn't surprise me if WW760 and H414 are the same. Olin hasn't made powder in quite awhile; most is made at the St. Marks facility in Florida. __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

March 20, 2009, 08:50 PM	#9
W. C. Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2008 Location: No Man's Land Posts: 354	Hodgdon is becoming a reseller. A lot of their popular H-powders are ADI powders imported from Australia. __________________ NRA Life Whittington Center Life

March 19, 2009, 09:03 PM	#2
doug66 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 116	I've read that H110 & W296 were same. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ OFF THE INTERNET. Only use recipes from powder manufacturers. Don't substitute components.

March 20, 2009, 08:37 AM	#3
SL1 Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2007 Posts: 2,001	If you look at WW-296 and H4227, I think you will easily see that they are different shaped particles. It is H-110 that is supposed to be the same as WW-296. But, load data in many manuals shows slightly different loads for WW-296 and H-110. Apparently, that is the same type of variation you can find between different lots of WW-296 (or different lots of H-110). That gives you some idea of why there are recommendations to work-up your loads again whenever you get a new LOT of the same powder you are already using. SL1

March 20, 2009, 09:38 AM	#4
AlaskaMike Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 941	The internet has nothing to do with it--I've heard more ridiculous garbage spouted from "experts" in gun shops. Regardless of where you get something, (and yes, even from a manual) always confirm it with a different authoritative source. H110 and W296 are very much the same now--current Hodgdon data for the two powders is identical. Considering they are the ones who market both powders, Hodgdon is the authoritative source on this matter. Mike

March 20, 2009, 11:13 AM	#6
Flat Tire Member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Posts: 59	When you go to the Winchester site they say they use Hodgdon powder for their factory loads. So I downloaded two "powder burn rate" charts and I noticed H110 and H4227 listed next to W296. I guessed the wrong one. In alot of these reloading manuals they don't list every powder. And big company's like winchester put their name on other people's products. How do you get more load charts without buying the book?

March 20, 2009, 11:48 AM	#7
Apache6 Member Join Date: December 8, 2007 Posts: 87	Hodgdon Load Data

March 20, 2009, 08:59 PM	#10
RB98SS Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2007 Location: Shoreview, MN Posts: 104	If you go to Hodgdons site and look at the load data provided, you will see that the published loads on their website show that the 296 and H110 loads are EXACTLY the same. I don't know about the past, but I'd say its safe to say they are the same powder now.