"The Lost Art of Cut Shells"

jmortimer · April 27, 2011, 09:43 AM

Saw this link to Youtube video from Iraqveteran8888 "The Lost Art of Cut Shells" which is described as the "poor man's slug" and used prior to the introduction of slugs. Very interesting. Obviously not for loading in a magazine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46...layer_embedded

chadstrickland · April 27, 2011, 10:45 AM

Hmm or loading in a gun period....to me its a ticking time bomb...and the reason I say that is because think of how much extra pressure is having to build up to move that out of the barrel.....im not gona be doing it...a good idea for back in the day..yea perhaps...but useless today....imho that is

SDC · April 27, 2011, 11:34 AM

You don't want to try this trick for the same reason you don't want to fire slugs through a full choke; the extra diameter of the shell passing through the forcing cone and bore spikes pressures drastically, and there's no guarantee the shotgun you try this in is going to hang together under those conditions.

zippy13 · April 27, 2011, 02:49 PM

We just had a thread on this topic: If you're ever feeling suicidal....

Edward429451 · April 27, 2011, 03:34 PM

While full chokes may not be the best choke for slugs, they certainly will not blow up your gun. If they would, then it would be common knowledge and everyone would know someone that it happened to. Have you ever seen a SG blow up from a slug? I didn't think so.

markj · April 27, 2011, 04:11 PM

I used slugs in my winchester 1200 had a full choke. Deer died same as my 1300 with a slug barrell.

SDC · April 27, 2011, 04:29 PM

I have seen BULGED barrels from using this trick, so if you don't mind destroying your own property, go right ahead (as long as I'm not standing next to you).

zippy13 · April 27, 2011, 06:42 PM

As I've previously opined: If slugs weren't safe to shoot in modern fully choked guns, their makers' legal departments wouldn't allow them on the market. Custom cut shells are strictly Use at your own risk.

jmortimer · April 27, 2011, 08:38 PM

"We just had a thread on this topic"
Sorry to bring it up again - Missed it the first time but it is interesting topic. I'm not recommending it I just saw the link on Survival Blog and all my shot guns are cylinder bore so I don't think there could be a pressure issue. In a survival situation you could use small shot for self-defense.

darkgael · April 27, 2011, 08:44 PM

Quote:

The Lost Art of Cut Shells" which is described as the "poor man's slug" and used prior to the introduction of slugs. Very interesting. Obviously not for loading in a magazine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46...layer_embedded

The fellow in that video has his dates wrong. The shotgun slug was invented well before 1931.
"the slug didn't come out til 1931" (Brenneke invented his slug in 1898. The Foster slug was invented in 1931. Found that out over at the PAFOA forum.)
and they were using these shells during the depression". The implication there being that the Depression occurred before 1931. Maybe a little bit of it did but not most.
There are at least two other threads on other fora discussing this at present.
PAFOA and Graybeard Outdoors.
Pete

kozak6 · April 28, 2011, 12:39 AM

A case of slugs is cheaper than a new shotgun and facial reconstructive surgery.

oneounceload · April 28, 2011, 08:41 AM

Quote:

The implication there being that the Depression occurred before 1931.

1929 Stock Market crash started the Great Depression

darkgael · April 29, 2011, 10:59 PM

Oneounceload: Yeah, I knew that about the Great Depression beginning in 1929..... due to its severity most of it occurred after 1931. There's a strong argument that it was ended by WWII. My sense of the comment about slugs was that the fellow was not referring to the two years after the crash. (added in

But I've been wrong before.

Btw - off topic - I have been going the one ounce route in Trap lately. Haven't noticed any difference in my scores. Keep bumping up against 25.
Pete

zippy13 · April 30, 2011, 02:59 AM

Off topic,

Pete, my friend, those 1-oz trap loads will work just fine until you start adding some real yardage. Actually, for some, they may shoot better with 1-oz loads because of the reduced recoil.

Be careful, if you're not paying attention, my friend oneounceload will have you shooting with 7/8 or 3/4-oz loads.

April 27, 2011, 09:43 AM	#1
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	"The Lost Art of Cut Shells" Saw this link to Youtube video from Iraqveteran8888 "The Lost Art of Cut Shells" which is described as the "poor man's slug" and used prior to the introduction of slugs. Very interesting. Obviously not for loading in a magazine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46...layer_embedded

April 27, 2011, 10:45 AM	#2
chadstrickland Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2011 Location: alabama Posts: 537	Hmm or loading in a gun period....to me its a ticking time bomb...and the reason I say that is because think of how much extra pressure is having to build up to move that out of the barrel.....im not gona be doing it...a good idea for back in the day..yea perhaps...but useless today....imho that is __________________ Two weapons that was designed by the same man still in use by the us military 100 years later...1911 and m2...is there anything that comes close.....lol annd maybe perhaps a sig sauer p226 tac ops edition..

April 27, 2011, 11:34 AM	#3
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	You don't want to try this trick for the same reason you don't want to fire slugs through a full choke; the extra diameter of the shell passing through the forcing cone and bore spikes pressures drastically, and there's no guarantee the shotgun you try this in is going to hang together under those conditions. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

April 27, 2011, 04:29 PM	#7
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	I have seen BULGED barrels from using this trick, so if you don't mind destroying your own property, go right ahead (as long as I'm not standing next to you). __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

April 29, 2011, 10:59 PM	#13
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Oneounceload: Yeah, I knew that about the Great Depression beginning in 1929..... due to its severity most of it occurred after 1931. There's a strong argument that it was ended by WWII. My sense of the comment about slugs was that the fellow was not referring to the two years after the crash. (added in But I've been wrong before. Btw - off topic - I have been going the one ounce route in Trap lately. Haven't noticed any difference in my scores. Keep bumping up against 25. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member Last edited by darkgael; April 30, 2011 at 01:00 PM.

April 27, 2011, 02:49 PM	#4
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	We just had a thread on this topic: If you're ever feeling suicidal....

April 27, 2011, 03:34 PM	#5
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	While full chokes may not be the best choke for slugs, they certainly will not blow up your gun. If they would, then it would be common knowledge and everyone would know someone that it happened to. Have you ever seen a SG blow up from a slug? I didn't think so.

April 27, 2011, 04:11 PM	#6
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	I used slugs in my winchester 1200 had a full choke. Deer died same as my 1300 with a slug barrell.

April 27, 2011, 06:42 PM	#8
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	As I've previously opined: If slugs weren't safe to shoot in modern fully choked guns, their makers' legal departments wouldn't allow them on the market. Custom cut shells are strictly Use at your own risk.

April 27, 2011, 08:38 PM	#9
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	"We just had a thread on this topic" Sorry to bring it up again - Missed it the first time but it is interesting topic. I'm not recommending it I just saw the link on Survival Blog and all my shot guns are cylinder bore so I don't think there could be a pressure issue. In a survival situation you could use small shot for self-defense.

April 28, 2011, 12:39 AM	#11
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	A case of slugs is cheaper than a new shotgun and facial reconstructive surgery.

April 30, 2011, 02:59 AM	#14
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Off topic, Pete, my friend, those 1-oz trap loads will work just fine until you start adding some real yardage. Actually, for some, they may shoot better with 1-oz loads because of the reduced recoil. Be careful, if you're not paying attention, my friend oneounceload will have you shooting with 7/8 or 3/4-oz loads.

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