Help ID a Remington bolt-action?

Mike Davies · December 20, 2002, 06:54 PM

A friend called me from a far-flung region of the country, and asked me if I could help him ID a Remington bolt-action rifle that belongs to his step-father. It is chambered in 7mm Mauser, and has the following numbers on it: CIL972C and MAG35743.
Any help would be very much appreciated!

**Mike Irwin** · December 21, 2002, 11:39 AM

Sorry, Mike, there's simply not enough information there to make a definitive identification.

Could be any of a number of models.

The best way to tell would be with a picture.

JackM · December 21, 2002, 12:10 PM

Hi, Gents:
Likely the CIL stands for Canadian Industries Limited who marketed quite a number of guns under their own name and model number. Anschutz and Savage made most of them. Checking a Weaver scope mount base list shows that a C-I-L 972-C takes the 45 and 46 bases, same as a large ring Mauser. The C usually means Clip magazine (I know). Parker-Hale was the main source of clip magazine large ring Mausers at the time C-I-L was in the gun business, so I'm 95% sure that's what your friend has.

http://www.kwiksitecorp.com/weaver_mount_chart.pdf

Bye
Jack

Mike Davies · December 21, 2002, 01:51 PM

Thanks Mike...yes, the info on the rifle is sparse...I'm not even convinced that it IS a Remington. (You gonna drop in to the Swede's Old Farts Forum from time to time...?)
JackM: Yes, the CIL portion of the numbers that I was provided did make me wonder if this was one of the CIL rifles (he was adamant that is was a Remington..)....In that case, it would most likely (as you say) be a Savage. I'll pass that on to the fellow.
Thanks!

JackM · December 21, 2002, 02:38 PM

Hi, Mike:
It's not a Savage. That's a C-I-L 950-C. The Savage action is easy to recognize by the nickle-sized screw in the back of the bolt. It's most likely a Mauser action Parker-Hale. Ask your friend if the extractor is a long spring or bar on the outside of the bolt that doesn't turn with the bolt. If it has that style extractor, it's a Mauser action. Remington extractors are inside the bolt head.

7mm Mauser isn't a regular Parker-Hale calibre, but 7mm Remington Magnum is. The serial number implies that. Maybe that's where he got the idea it's a Remington.

Bye
Jack

Mike Davies · December 22, 2002, 06:17 PM

Jack:
That makes sense...I won't get a chance to talk to him again until monday: I'll pass on your info and see what he comes back with.
Thanks,
Mike

December 20, 2002, 06:54 PM	#1
Mike Davies Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 376	Help ID a Remington bolt-action? A friend called me from a far-flung region of the country, and asked me if I could help him ID a Remington bolt-action rifle that belongs to his step-father. It is chambered in 7mm Mauser, and has the following numbers on it: CIL972C and MAG35743. Any help would be very much appreciated!

December 21, 2002, 11:39 AM	#2
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,383	Sorry, Mike, there's simply not enough information there to make a definitive identification. Could be any of a number of models. The best way to tell would be with a picture. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

December 21, 2002, 12:10 PM	#3
JackM Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Sask. Posts: 108	Hi, Gents: Likely the CIL stands for Canadian Industries Limited who marketed quite a number of guns under their own name and model number. Anschutz and Savage made most of them. Checking a Weaver scope mount base list shows that a C-I-L 972-C takes the 45 and 46 bases, same as a large ring Mauser. The C usually means Clip magazine (I know). Parker-Hale was the main source of clip magazine large ring Mausers at the time C-I-L was in the gun business, so I'm 95% sure that's what your friend has. http://www.kwiksitecorp.com/weaver_mount_chart.pdf Bye Jack

December 21, 2002, 01:51 PM	#4
Mike Davies Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 376	Thanks Mike...yes, the info on the rifle is sparse...I'm not even convinced that it IS a Remington. (You gonna drop in to the Swede's Old Farts Forum from time to time...?) JackM: Yes, the CIL portion of the numbers that I was provided did make me wonder if this was one of the CIL rifles (he was adamant that is was a Remington..)....In that case, it would most likely (as you say) be a Savage. I'll pass that on to the fellow. Thanks!

December 21, 2002, 02:38 PM	#5
JackM Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Sask. Posts: 108	Hi, Mike: It's not a Savage. That's a C-I-L 950-C. The Savage action is easy to recognize by the nickle-sized screw in the back of the bolt. It's most likely a Mauser action Parker-Hale. Ask your friend if the extractor is a long spring or bar on the outside of the bolt that doesn't turn with the bolt. If it has that style extractor, it's a Mauser action. Remington extractors are inside the bolt head. 7mm Mauser isn't a regular Parker-Hale calibre, but 7mm Remington Magnum is. The serial number implies that. Maybe that's where he got the idea it's a Remington. Bye Jack

December 22, 2002, 06:17 PM	#6
Mike Davies Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 376	Jack: That makes sense...I won't get a chance to talk to him again until monday: I'll pass on your info and see what he comes back with. Thanks, Mike