fps for 220 gr '06 at 100yds?

Ruger480 · March 31, 2013, 09:39 PM

I can't find any data on the ballistics for this bullet. Everything I look at tops out at 180 grains.
Where can I find this info?

Thanks

Brian Pfleuger · March 31, 2013, 10:15 PM

You'd have to know the starting speed to make any guesses...

http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballist...culators.shtml

emcon5 · March 31, 2013, 11:04 PM

Fastest muzzle velocity in both my Sierra and Hornady manuals for 220 gr bullets in 30-06 is 2500FPS, all at max loads.

On edit, to be clear, that is the max load, and only for some of the listed powders. Others don't get that fast, and max out 2200ish.

chris in va · March 31, 2013, 11:16 PM

Yeah, my Lyman manual shows a 220gr jacketed RN anywhere from 2058 to 2583.

Buzzcook · April 1, 2013, 01:26 AM

Hodgdon maxes out at 2476ps 59700psi with imr 7828

darkgael · April 1, 2013, 06:20 AM

My little ballistics program tells me that a Hornady 220 grain RNSP with a muzzle velocity of 2450 fps will be traveling at 2178 fps at 100 yards.
For a 2500 fps MV the 100 yd. V is 2225 fps.
Max MV in the Lyman load book #49 is an MV of 2583 fps whiche leaves 2302 fps at 100 yds.
Pete

Malamute · April 14, 2013, 11:14 AM

Looking at the ballistics tables in the 1968 Shooters Bible, it shows a muzzle vel of 2410 fps, and a 100 yard vel of 2120 fps in both the Remington and Winchester data for the 220 gr '06 loads.

tahunua001 · April 14, 2013, 11:30 AM

you need to know your ballistic coefficient, your muzzle velocity and your bullet weight to get that information. lots of reloading manuals go up to 220 grain in 30-06, my brother in law just loaded a bunch up using my hornady 8th edition.

Ruger480 · April 14, 2013, 03:05 PM

Thank you guys for posting that info.
I was trying to determine whether or not the '06 was enough gun to "rule the world" so to speak. It is.

Before posting any comments, please keep in mind I was not searching for stopping power. I was only looking for sufficient energy to kill dangerous game. And yes, there are much better choices than the '06 to take to the Dark Continent. But that's not what I wanted to know.
So, to reiterate, thank you to those who posted.

oneoldsap · April 14, 2013, 04:32 PM

I would never use bullets over 180 Gr. in the 30-06 ! If you want to kill stuff that requires a 220 Gr. bullet , get a .338 Win. Mag. and have enough velocity to get out a ways !

Ruger480 · April 14, 2013, 04:45 PM

I did a little (operative word here) research and found that most shots taken at dangerous game are 80 yards or less.

taylorce1 · April 15, 2013, 08:36 AM

You might enjoy this Sports Illustrated article. This gentelman has hunted successfully every North American big game species with the .30-06.

kraigwy · April 15, 2013, 08:48 AM

Can't tell you about the '06 w/220 grn RN bullets, but way back in its day the 30-40 Krag had the same 220 grn RN but a bit slower, right at 2000-2100 fps. MV,

It was known as a "stopper" and with FMJ had the penetration needed for dangerous game.

In B.O. Young's book "Alaska-Yukon Trophy's Won and Lost" (written in the early 20th century) Mr. Young talked of using the 30-40 Krag as a back up when hunting grizzlies or dispatching wounded grizzlies.

Its more then capable but its a round used when people hunted instead of just shooting animals.

To Add:

What I like about the Krag, (and the same goes for the '06 in the 200-220 grn bullets) is you can load cast bullets to the original velocity of the jacketed round, giving you a good hunting round.

In todays drought that's important, bullets and powder are hard to come by, yet for some reason 5744 powder seems to be available everywhere and its an excellent powder for cast bullets, allowing you to get the same velocities accurately.

So if you have primers you can get some low cost, good shooting.

I know we are suppose to be talking about the '06 but I think the 30-40 is one of the most under rated rounds out there.

taylorce1 · April 15, 2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraigwy

I know we are suppose to be talking about the '06 but I think the 30-40 is one of the most under rated rounds out there.

Couldn't agree more!!

Not cast in the picture, but I do have the mold for 200 grain RN from Lee, as well as 1K gas checks and the sizing .309 sizing dies. I have a couple of pounds of Accurate 5744 and about 8K LR primers.

Ruger480 · April 15, 2013, 12:03 PM

I will give a nod of respect to the 30-40 Krag because it has been there, even if it couldn't always do that.

Doyle · April 15, 2013, 12:35 PM

The problem with using a 220 grn bullet in 30-06 is that most rifles won't stabilize them. A bullet that heavy in .30 cal really needs a 1 in 8 twist (or at least a 1 in 9).

SSA · April 15, 2013, 01:19 PM

According to the stability calculator at jbmballiistcs.com, a 1/12 twist barrel will stabilize a 220 grain Hornady roundnose at 1500 fps MV.

Doyle · April 15, 2013, 02:12 PM

Quote:

According to the stability calculator at jbmballiistcs.com, a 1/12 twist barrel will stabilize a 220 grain Hornady roundnose at 1500 fps MV.

Yes, but a factory 30-06 round is going to have a MV significantly greater than that.

Everybody I've ever talked to that tried to shoot them gave up due to inaccuracy.

SSA · April 15, 2013, 02:18 PM

The bullet will be more stable at 30-06 velocity than at slower velocity.

taylorce1 · April 15, 2013, 07:01 PM

I haven't shot a bunch of 200+ grain bullets out of the .30-06, but I took a black bear with a 200 grain Nosler Partition in Alaska in 2006. Bear was right at 200 yards and took him through both front shoulders like I was aiming for. I never had a problem with accuracy with that bullet and it shot a little less than 1" for my hunting load. I've shot a few 220 grain RN out of my .30-40 Krag and never had accuracy issues either shooting about 2" at 100 with iron sights.

I do agree that a .30-06 might have a problem stabilizing a heavy spitzer boat tail (SBT), VLD, or Mono metal bullet since the ability of a barrel to stabilize a bullet has nothing to do with weight but with the length of the bullet. The longer the bullet the faster the twist you need to stabilize it. Most hunting bullets of +200 grains aren't any of those three designs, most are semi-spitzer or round nose bullets with flat bases that make the overall length of the bullet about that of your average 180 grain SBT.

Ruger480 · April 15, 2013, 07:11 PM

Thank you for that SI link Taylorce1. That was interesting to read.

kraigwy · April 15, 2013, 07:48 PM

Quote:

The problem with using a 220 grn bullet in 30-06 is that most rifles won't stabilize them. A bullet that heavy in .30 cal really needs a 1 in 8 twist (or at least a 1 in 9).

Not sure about that. The Army went to the 1:10 in the Krag and Springfield because it does in fact stabilize the 220 RN bullet.

In fact that was the bullet used in Gen Hatchers example explaining twist, in his "Hatcher's Notebook".

darkgael · April 16, 2013, 04:13 AM

Also not sure about that need for a faster than 1-10 twist.
For a while, I experimented with the Barnes 250 grain RNSP in .308" dia.. A very long gullet. I do not recall any accuracy problems with 1-10 barrels.

dvdcrr · April 23, 2013, 10:09 PM

The 165 gr Barnes bullet is in every way superior to a 220 gr load in 30-06. Superior ballistics, penetration, and terminal performance. The late Greg Rodriguez wrote an article on the subject
http://barnesbullets.myshopify.com/c...168-gr-ttsx-bt

JD0x0 · April 24, 2013, 02:08 PM

Berger bullets says recommended twist rate for a 230 grain VLD boat tail is 1:10in. Bullet length is listed as 1.64'' which is probably the longest bullet you can use in 1:10in twist barrels.

March 31, 2013, 09:39 PM	#1
Ruger480 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2013 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 720	fps for 220 gr '06 at 100yds? I can't find any data on the ballistics for this bullet. Everything I look at tops out at 180 grains. Where can I find this info? Thanks

March 31, 2013, 11:04 PM	#3
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Fastest muzzle velocity in both my Sierra and Hornady manuals for 220 gr bullets in 30-06 is 2500FPS, all at max loads. On edit, to be clear, that is the max load, and only for some of the listed powders. Others don't get that fast, and max out 2200ish. Last edited by emcon5; March 31, 2013 at 11:20 PM.

April 1, 2013, 06:20 AM	#6
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	100 yards My little ballistics program tells me that a Hornady 220 grain RNSP with a muzzle velocity of 2450 fps will be traveling at 2178 fps at 100 yards. For a 2500 fps MV the 100 yd. V is 2225 fps. Max MV in the Lyman load book #49 is an MV of 2583 fps whiche leaves 2302 fps at 100 yds. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

April 14, 2013, 11:14 AM	#7
Malamute Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2004 Location: Rocky Mts Posts: 859	Looking at the ballistics tables in the 1968 Shooters Bible, it shows a muzzle vel of 2410 fps, and a 100 yard vel of 2120 fps in both the Remington and Winchester data for the 220 gr '06 loads. __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt-

April 14, 2013, 11:30 AM	#8
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	you need to know your ballistic coefficient, your muzzle velocity and your bullet weight to get that information. lots of reloading manuals go up to 220 grain in 30-06, my brother in law just loaded a bunch up using my hornady 8th edition. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

March 31, 2013, 10:15 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	You'd have to know the starting speed to make any guesses... http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballist...culators.shtml

March 31, 2013, 11:16 PM	#4
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	Yeah, my Lyman manual shows a 220gr jacketed RN anywhere from 2058 to 2583.

April 1, 2013, 01:26 AM	#5
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Hodgdon maxes out at 2476ps 59700psi with imr 7828

April 14, 2013, 03:05 PM	#9
Ruger480 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2013 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 720	Thank you guys for posting that info. I was trying to determine whether or not the '06 was enough gun to "rule the world" so to speak. It is. Before posting any comments, please keep in mind I was not searching for stopping power. I was only looking for sufficient energy to kill dangerous game. And yes, there are much better choices than the '06 to take to the Dark Continent. But that's not what I wanted to know. So, to reiterate, thank you to those who posted.

April 14, 2013, 04:32 PM	#10
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	I would never use bullets over 180 Gr. in the 30-06 ! If you want to kill stuff that requires a 220 Gr. bullet , get a .338 Win. Mag. and have enough velocity to get out a ways ! __________________ Don't forget to have your liberals spayed or neutered !

April 14, 2013, 04:45 PM	#11
Ruger480 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2013 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 720	I did a little (operative word here) research and found that most shots taken at dangerous game are 80 yards or less.

April 15, 2013, 08:36 AM	#12
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	You might enjoy this Sports Illustrated article. This gentelman has hunted successfully every North American big game species with the .30-06. __________________ NRA Life Member

April 15, 2013, 08:48 AM	#13
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Can't tell you about the '06 w/220 grn RN bullets, but way back in its day the 30-40 Krag had the same 220 grn RN but a bit slower, right at 2000-2100 fps. MV, It was known as a "stopper" and with FMJ had the penetration needed for dangerous game. In B.O. Young's book "Alaska-Yukon Trophy's Won and Lost" (written in the early 20th century) Mr. Young talked of using the 30-40 Krag as a back up when hunting grizzlies or dispatching wounded grizzlies. Its more then capable but its a round used when people hunted instead of just shooting animals. To Add: What I like about the Krag, (and the same goes for the '06 in the 200-220 grn bullets) is you can load cast bullets to the original velocity of the jacketed round, giving you a good hunting round. In todays drought that's important, bullets and powder are hard to come by, yet for some reason 5744 powder seems to be available everywhere and its an excellent powder for cast bullets, allowing you to get the same velocities accurately. So if you have primers you can get some low cost, good shooting. I know we are suppose to be talking about the '06 but I think the 30-40 is one of the most under rated rounds out there. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071 Last edited by kraigwy; April 15, 2013 at 08:58 AM.

April 15, 2013, 12:03 PM	#15
Ruger480 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2013 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 720	I will give a nod of respect to the 30-40 Krag because it has been there, even if it couldn't always do that.

April 15, 2013, 12:35 PM	#16
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	The problem with using a 220 grn bullet in 30-06 is that most rifles won't stabilize them. A bullet that heavy in .30 cal really needs a 1 in 8 twist (or at least a 1 in 9).

April 15, 2013, 01:19 PM	#17
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	According to the stability calculator at jbmballiistcs.com, a 1/12 twist barrel will stabilize a 220 grain Hornady roundnose at 1500 fps MV.

April 15, 2013, 02:18 PM	#19
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	The bullet will be more stable at 30-06 velocity than at slower velocity.

April 15, 2013, 07:01 PM	#20
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	I haven't shot a bunch of 200+ grain bullets out of the .30-06, but I took a black bear with a 200 grain Nosler Partition in Alaska in 2006. Bear was right at 200 yards and took him through both front shoulders like I was aiming for. I never had a problem with accuracy with that bullet and it shot a little less than 1" for my hunting load. I've shot a few 220 grain RN out of my .30-40 Krag and never had accuracy issues either shooting about 2" at 100 with iron sights. I do agree that a .30-06 might have a problem stabilizing a heavy spitzer boat tail (SBT), VLD, or Mono metal bullet since the ability of a barrel to stabilize a bullet has nothing to do with weight but with the length of the bullet. The longer the bullet the faster the twist you need to stabilize it. Most hunting bullets of +200 grains aren't any of those three designs, most are semi-spitzer or round nose bullets with flat bases that make the overall length of the bullet about that of your average 180 grain SBT. __________________ NRA Life Member

April 15, 2013, 07:11 PM	#21
Ruger480 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2013 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 720	Thank you for that SI link Taylorce1. That was interesting to read. Last edited by Ruger480; April 15, 2013 at 07:18 PM.

April 16, 2013, 04:13 AM	#23
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Twist Also not sure about that need for a faster than 1-10 twist. For a while, I experimented with the Barnes 250 grain RNSP in .308" dia.. A very long gullet. I do not recall any accuracy problems with 1-10 barrels. __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

April 23, 2013, 10:09 PM	#24
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 665	The 165 gr Barnes bullet is in every way superior to a 220 gr load in 30-06. Superior ballistics, penetration, and terminal performance. The late Greg Rodriguez wrote an article on the subject http://barnesbullets.myshopify.com/c...168-gr-ttsx-bt

April 24, 2013, 02:08 PM	#25
JD0x0 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Posts: 1,037	Berger bullets says recommended twist rate for a 230 grain VLD boat tail is 1:10in. Bullet length is listed as 1.64'' which is probably the longest bullet you can use in 1:10in twist barrels.