Coated Bullets?

Nick_C_S · December 4, 2013, 09:33 PM

Does anybody have any experience with these coated bullets? I've never even heard of such a thing. I want to get the 148g DEWC's (Since Friendswood Bullet Co seems to have dropped off the face of the earth - along with my $83 order I never received). My goal isn't to load them up hot and treat like jacketed or even plated bullets - nothing like that. They're target bullets - I'm going to load them as such.

But the thought of not dealing with wax in my dies and all the smoke when shooting is appealing to me. But I'd like some opinions of this product before I commit to a thousand of them.

http://www.snscasting.com/coated-bullets/

Thanks!

pete950 · December 4, 2013, 10:15 PM

Just recived my order of 2000 of the148 gr coated from SNS today,
They look great. Per the guy at SNS the coating cuts the smoke down
By more than 70% going to load up a100 rds and try them sunday.

ocd41911 · December 5, 2013, 05:51 AM

I've been shooting SNS cast bullets for about a year and just tried the coated a couple of weeks ago. They shoot great with a lot less smoke. I like dealing with SNS, the quality is excellent, they are family owned and I have never waited longer than 2 weeks for an order.

CS86 · December 5, 2013, 09:18 AM

what kind of coating is it, and what are you guys seeing for accuracy comparison?

jim8115 · December 5, 2013, 10:29 AM

try these, I have shot thousands...

http://www.precisionbullets.com/home.htm

ocd41911 · December 5, 2013, 11:50 AM

CS86, it's a baked on powder coating. As for accuracy of the coated V.S. cast I find no difference between the two. The difference is less smoke and no lube in the dies.

NWPilgrim · December 5, 2013, 02:07 PM

Can anyone give a synopsis of the powder coated bullets? There are threads at Vast Boolits forum and seems all the rage but at 88 pages or more it is a lot to try to get at the beginning thoughts.

Apparently powder coating us a polymer coating not just paint, correct? As such it seems to be very tough, holding together even after target impact (sand or water)?

One question I have is, does this make lead bullets safer to shoot in polygonal rifled barrels such as Glock and HK?

Is this done on hardcast bullets (15+ BHN) or is the coating tough enough to allow softer alloy?

Are there any drawbacks to shooting powder coated versus plain lead and lube? Do they keave less fouling than lubed lead or jacketed? Any conditions they should not be used?

Is this a cosmetic fad or a new breakthrough in low cost lead bullets? Are they cheaper than plated (I would hope).

jmorris · December 5, 2013, 05:46 PM

David never let anyone know what precision bullets are coated with.

SNS recently converted to the Hi-TEK coating, I have read. The same one I use, Donnie at Bayou bullets uses it too and also sells it to casters/swagers.

Nick_C_S · December 5, 2013, 08:18 PM

Well I bought 1000 of the 148g DEWC's. So we'll see how it goes.

jonathon1289 · December 5, 2013, 10:17 PM

I powder coat my own lead bullets. There are a few methods, but I use the colored powder and mix with lawyer thinner and tumble then dry the bullets. This way they don't always look the best but it is still effective. I know a couple guys who are using a true powder coat system and sprayer and the bullets look great.
Harbor Freight powder works about as well as any other brand.
No leading even at close to jacketed bullet velocities.

Beagle333 · December 5, 2013, 10:27 PM

Coating is the future. No leading at high speeds using soft slugs. It's the way to go.

jmorris · December 6, 2013, 09:23 AM

What coating are you using?

Beagle333 · December 6, 2013, 06:18 PM

This particular coating is TGIC polyester. 'Just your standard powdercoat paint. Sprayed on using an electrostatic air gun and baked, also just like anything else powdercoated.
It really makes them slippery!

there are threads about it in the casting section
Here's one^^^^

jonathon1289 · December 6, 2013, 07:32 PM

Those look good Beagle. I am using the same type of powder from a PC company in the area, but i don't spray and bake so mine don't look as good. I tumble in powder/laquer and air dry (I do have a toaster oven and bake them sometimes but end result seems the same).

Nick_C_S · December 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

First class Beagle. First class.

Forrest68 · December 6, 2013, 09:17 PM

Hey Nick, I am in the process of haven my credit card company charge back the sale to friendswood, Im' out just over 200 bucks til the CC company does its thing, its a pain but worth the effort. Good luck

Nick_C_S · December 6, 2013, 09:56 PM

Forrest68, I was thinking about doing the same thing.

I really wish he'd just send the bullets - I'd rather have the lead than the bread

skizzums · December 6, 2013, 10:10 PM

beagle, i would like to Pm you someday and have you walk me though the equipment and media i would need to start doing some of your awesome coatings. i am very interested in it for 38spls. they look great!!!

jmorris · December 7, 2013, 05:41 PM

I tried powder coating back in march. The step by step is in this tread.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...bullet+coating

jmorris · December 7, 2013, 05:43 PM

I now use the hi-TEK coating because it coats the entire bullet, no need for any kind of gas check.

Step by step of that process is in this thread.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...bullet+coating

res45 · December 7, 2013, 05:50 PM

Tried my hand at powder coating some TL bullets today after reading a few threads over at the Cast Boolits Forum, I got some powder from a friend that deals with a powder coating business just for asking.

I decided to go with heating the bullets to touch an tumbling them lightly fora few minutes in the powder before baking at 400 degrees for 20 min. My first small test batch turned out nicely I think although it's still a work in progress. Bullets pictured were sized after they cooled down.

We smashed a couple standing up and lying on there side to see what the coating did and none came off even when the bullet was flattened to the thickness of a nickel after repeated pounding.

Tried my hand at powder coating some TL bullets today after reading a few threads over at the Cast Boolits Forum, I got some powder from a friend that deals with a powder coating business just for asking.

I decided to go with heating the bullets to touch an tumbling them lightly fora few minutes in the powder before baking at 400 degrees for 20 min. My first small test batch turned out nicely I think although it's still a work in progress. Bullets pictured were sized after they cooled down.

We smashed a couple standing up and lying on there side to see what the coating did and none came off even when the bullet was flattened to the thickness of a nickel after repeated pounding.

Forrest68 · December 7, 2013, 10:05 PM

Trustme Nick , I REALLY wanted the bullets, not the money back, but at this point doubt the bullets woudl ever ship. I had ordered 3000, that was gonna tide me over for at least 6 months since we are coming into winter now. I'm bummed I've waited this lon and have to start all over again. Good luck

Nick_C_S · December 7, 2013, 11:12 PM

Forrest68, let me know how it goes with your CC company. My order would have been just as big as yours had I not been a little tight on cash. By all accounts, Richard seemed to be an upstanding guy. I wonder what happened? Maybe I'm naive, but I find it hard to believe he just up and took off with a bunch of people's money.

Forrest68 · December 8, 2013, 10:14 AM

I just got my money back in my acct Nick , I started the process rigth after thanksgiving. I agree I have to assume something happened, Richard seemed like a real decent guy to deal with, but after a month of no responce after he said it was gonna ship? Seemed best to , take matters into my own hands and move on. Shame too, he had such a quality product, now the search for a replacement supplier

. Good luck Nick

Update, recieved a letter today from the Credit card company, they said they have refunded my money(whch I already knew), due to the fact they were enable to contact the client(Friendswood/Richard) after repeated attempts. I really hope Richard is ok, but this doesn't sound good.

Nick_C_S · December 10, 2013, 11:57 AM

Just got these yesterday from SNS. They were very prompt with fulfilling my order. So far, my experience with SNS has been excellent.

Of course, I haven't loaded of shot these yet. But I am very confident they'll perform nicely.

December 4, 2013, 09:33 PM	#1
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Coated Bullets? Does anybody have any experience with these coated bullets? I've never even heard of such a thing. I want to get the 148g DEWC's (Since Friendswood Bullet Co seems to have dropped off the face of the earth - along with my $83 order I never received). My goal isn't to load them up hot and treat like jacketed or even plated bullets - nothing like that. They're target bullets - I'm going to load them as such. But the thought of not dealing with wax in my dies and all the smoke when shooting is appealing to me. But I'd like some opinions of this product before I commit to a thousand of them. http://www.snscasting.com/coated-bullets/ Thanks! __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association Last edited by Nick_C_S; December 4, 2013 at 09:43 PM. Reason: Clarification

December 5, 2013, 02:07 PM	#7
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,346	Coated Bullets? Can anyone give a synopsis of the powder coated bullets? There are threads at Vast Boolits forum and seems all the rage but at 88 pages or more it is a lot to try to get at the beginning thoughts. Apparently powder coating us a polymer coating not just paint, correct? As such it seems to be very tough, holding together even after target impact (sand or water)? One question I have is, does this make lead bullets safer to shoot in polygonal rifled barrels such as Glock and HK? Is this done on hardcast bullets (15+ BHN) or is the coating tough enough to allow softer alloy? Are there any drawbacks to shooting powder coated versus plain lead and lube? Do they keave less fouling than lubed lead or jacketed? Any conditions they should not be used? Is this a cosmetic fad or a new breakthrough in low cost lead bullets? Are they cheaper than plated (I would hope).

December 5, 2013, 08:18 PM	#9
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Well I bought 1000 of the 148g DEWC's. So we'll see how it goes. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

December 5, 2013, 10:27 PM	#11
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Coating is the future. No leading at high speeds using soft slugs. It's the way to go. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

December 6, 2013, 06:18 PM	#13
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	This particular coating is TGIC polyester. 'Just your standard powdercoat paint. Sprayed on using an electrostatic air gun and baked, also just like anything else powdercoated. It really makes them slippery! there are threads about it in the casting section Here's one^^^^ __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

December 4, 2013, 10:15 PM	#2
pete950 Member Join Date: April 11, 2010 Location: ILLinois Posts: 42	Just recived my order of 2000 of the148 gr coated from SNS today, They look great. Per the guy at SNS the coating cuts the smoke down By more than 70% going to load up a100 rds and try them sunday.

December 5, 2013, 05:51 AM	#3
ocd41911 Junior Member Join Date: April 24, 2013 Location: CA Posts: 8	I've been shooting SNS cast bullets for about a year and just tried the coated a couple of weeks ago. They shoot great with a lot less smoke. I like dealing with SNS, the quality is excellent, they are family owned and I have never waited longer than 2 weeks for an order.

December 5, 2013, 09:18 AM	#4
CS86 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2012 Location: South Dakota Posts: 224	what kind of coating is it, and what are you guys seeing for accuracy comparison?

December 5, 2013, 10:29 AM	#5
jim8115 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2011 Location: Arkansas Posts: 229	try these, I have shot thousands... http://www.precisionbullets.com/home.htm

December 5, 2013, 11:50 AM	#6
ocd41911 Junior Member Join Date: April 24, 2013 Location: CA Posts: 8	CS86, it's a baked on powder coating. As for accuracy of the coated V.S. cast I find no difference between the two. The difference is less smoke and no lube in the dies.

December 5, 2013, 05:46 PM	#8
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	David never let anyone know what precision bullets are coated with. SNS recently converted to the Hi-TEK coating, I have read. The same one I use, Donnie at Bayou bullets uses it too and also sells it to casters/swagers.

December 5, 2013, 10:17 PM	#10
jonathon1289 Member Join Date: April 24, 2013 Location: Mid TN Posts: 26	I powder coat my own lead bullets. There are a few methods, but I use the colored powder and mix with lawyer thinner and tumble then dry the bullets. This way they don't always look the best but it is still effective. I know a couple guys who are using a true powder coat system and sprayer and the bullets look great. Harbor Freight powder works about as well as any other brand. No leading even at close to jacketed bullet velocities.

December 6, 2013, 09:23 AM	#12
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	What coating are you using?

December 6, 2013, 07:32 PM	#14
jonathon1289 Member Join Date: April 24, 2013 Location: Mid TN Posts: 26	Those look good Beagle. I am using the same type of powder from a PC company in the area, but i don't spray and bake so mine don't look as good. I tumble in powder/laquer and air dry (I do have a toaster oven and bake them sometimes but end result seems the same).

December 6, 2013, 08:21 PM	#15
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	First class Beagle. First class. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

December 6, 2013, 09:17 PM	#16
Forrest68 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2013 Posts: 135	Hey Nick, I am in the process of haven my credit card company charge back the sale to friendswood, Im' out just over 200 bucks til the CC company does its thing, its a pain but worth the effort. Good luck

December 6, 2013, 09:56 PM	#17
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Forrest68, I was thinking about doing the same thing. I really wish he'd just send the bullets - I'd rather have the lead than the bread __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

December 6, 2013, 10:10 PM	#18
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	beagle, i would like to Pm you someday and have you walk me though the equipment and media i would need to start doing some of your awesome coatings. i am very interested in it for 38spls. they look great!!! __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

December 7, 2013, 05:41 PM	#19
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	I tried powder coating back in march. The step by step is in this tread. http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...bullet+coating

December 7, 2013, 05:43 PM	#20
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	I now use the hi-TEK coating because it coats the entire bullet, no need for any kind of gas check. Step by step of that process is in this thread. http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...bullet+coating

December 7, 2013, 05:50 PM	#21
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 753	Tried my hand at powder coating some TL bullets today after reading a few threads over at the Cast Boolits Forum, I got some powder from a friend that deals with a powder coating business just for asking. I decided to go with heating the bullets to touch an tumbling them lightly fora few minutes in the powder before baking at 400 degrees for 20 min. My first small test batch turned out nicely I think although it's still a work in progress. Bullets pictured were sized after they cooled down. We smashed a couple standing up and lying on there side to see what the coating did and none came off even when the bullet was flattened to the thickness of a nickel after repeated pounding. Tried my hand at powder coating some TL bullets today after reading a few threads over at the Cast Boolits Forum, I got some powder from a friend that deals with a powder coating business just for asking. I decided to go with heating the bullets to touch an tumbling them lightly fora few minutes in the powder before baking at 400 degrees for 20 min. My first small test batch turned out nicely I think although it's still a work in progress. Bullets pictured were sized after they cooled down. We smashed a couple standing up and lying on there side to see what the coating did and none came off even when the bullet was flattened to the thickness of a nickel after repeated pounding.

December 7, 2013, 10:05 PM	#22
Forrest68 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2013 Posts: 135	Trustme Nick , I REALLY wanted the bullets, not the money back, but at this point doubt the bullets woudl ever ship. I had ordered 3000, that was gonna tide me over for at least 6 months since we are coming into winter now. I'm bummed I've waited this lon and have to start all over again. Good luck

December 7, 2013, 11:12 PM	#23
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Forrest68, let me know how it goes with your CC company. My order would have been just as big as yours had I not been a little tight on cash. By all accounts, Richard seemed to be an upstanding guy. I wonder what happened? Maybe I'm naive, but I find it hard to believe he just up and took off with a bunch of people's money. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

December 8, 2013, 10:14 AM	#24
Forrest68 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2013 Posts: 135	I just got my money back in my acct Nick , I started the process rigth after thanksgiving. I agree I have to assume something happened, Richard seemed like a real decent guy to deal with, but after a month of no responce after he said it was gonna ship? Seemed best to , take matters into my own hands and move on. Shame too, he had such a quality product, now the search for a replacement supplier . Good luck Nick Update, recieved a letter today from the Credit card company, they said they have refunded my money(whch I already knew), due to the fact they were enable to contact the client(Friendswood/Richard) after repeated attempts. I really hope Richard is ok, but this doesn't sound good. Last edited by Forrest68; December 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM.

December 10, 2013, 11:57 AM	#25
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Just got these yesterday from SNS. They were very prompt with fulfilling my order. So far, my experience with SNS has been excellent. Of course, I haven't loaded of shot these yet. But I am very confident they'll perform nicely. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association