January 16, 2013, 09:56 AM | #1 |
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Mannlicher M95
Posted this in Rifles but I think this may be a better place.
Looking at a carbine m95 in 8x56r. What do you know of them? I hear that the recoil of the rifle is "epic" and that the cartridge has very good performance. Not familiar with straight pull rifles. How does the bolt lock closed is its straight pull. I cn find plenty of Nazi ammo but I do not know if its re-loadable. As far as the rifle itself are they all Nazi finish? Would a "S" stamp signify that. As with the Mosin from another thread I am looking at a Hungarian made version. On a side note I have my Great Grandfathers discharge papers (need translating) from his service. He wasnt a good guy from the Allies perspective. I would assume that this is the type of rifle he would have carried. I am trying to find a pic of him in uniform to see if I can identify the gun.
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January 16, 2013, 11:22 AM | #2 |
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It has a rotary bolt head - read all about the Steyr-Mannlicher 1895 (M95), and it's variants:
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/repeating...her-m95-e.html . |
January 16, 2013, 12:28 PM | #3 |
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The S stamp means it has the S bore barrel (.323" groove diameter).
Your grandfather did what his country said he was expected to do, that would make his service neither good nor bad, just that he was in the armed forces of his country. The victor determines who was right and who was wrong. But I seriously doubt your grandfather carried a M95, they were obsolete by the beginning of WW2, although I am sure there were still many in use.
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the M95 was originally a long rifle, poorly balances, very long and cumbersome, analogous to a 1891 mosin nagant. the were cut down in the 30s to a smaller carbine length rifle as they were intended to be fielded by police and rear echelon troops, the nazis were nothing if not recyclers. a heavy, bulky, long combat rifle was not a necessity for someone filling those roles. the side effect of removing all that weight is a direct result of neuton's laws,forget which ones off the top of my head but "an object at rest will stay at rest until acted upon by an outside force(recoil)", and "every action has an equal and opposite reaction". as there is less weight to absorb the recoil it gets quite stiff and as it has a metal buttplate as all military weaponry of the age, it is quite stiff for most shooters.
8x56R is not a true 8mm, that is to say that the bullet diameter is slightly larger than 8x57mm mauser and most, if not all, 8mm bullets out there are actually designed for the more prolific of the two; 8mm mauser. I have heard reports but nothing substantiated that even the new production, reloadable, PRVI partizan, which is about the only game in town for 8x56R besides limited seasonal runs of hornady, actually uses the smaller 8mm bullet in their rounds, this slight difference affects accuracy and velocity in a bad way and can even result in damage to the rifling over time, many people do not care about this as they are cheaper than mosin nagants right now and just figure that a second rifle will be even easier to get a hold of. they require an en bloc clip to function, a hard to find but not impossible venture but also easy to lose if you are shooting in tall grass and you aren't paying attention to how many shots you are putting down range as it self ejects out the bottom of the rifle after the last round is chambered(not fired). without it you effectively have a single shot rifle. there are better out there but the stories that come with these are a lot more interesting than a hungarian M44 IMHO. as for the locking mechanisms behind it and reloadability of 75 year old ammunition I don't know much about it but the amount of time you would have to tumble most of that brass is extensive and I doubt you could get too many reloadings out of it as it would probably be worn pretty thin just to get the oxidation off of it.
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Scorch@ It was great grandfather. Austro-Hungarian. Best I can tell he was discharged 1910
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tahunua001@- It would seem to me that most old rifles are going to have one issue or another. Everyone jumped on the Mosin and the price of rifles has tripled, ammo is about dried up at most of the depots I know of. The M95 fires a somewhat rare round that may be dificult to load for if possible at all.
I have a Lamma Extra that shoots 9mm Largo with similar issues finding ammo. Someone else mentioned on another thread they have a center fire 22 mag that they cant get ammo for. I will have to keap looking around and see what lands in my lap. I am looking for guns from a country that to my knowledge had to arms manufacturers. Not like the US where we have dozens
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well if I'm not mistaken the M95 was made in budapest and stutzen(?). of course most milsurps have their highs and lows. I have yet to look ata reloading manual that has loading data for 8x56R but every single one of the hardships that I have labeled can be overcome.
1. the en bloc clips, if you are willing to compromise on original and genuine can be bought new production from numrich arms, they recently changed their website which makes it a pain to find little misc parts like enbloc clips for an M95 but they usually have them in stock and every once in a blue moon if you go there and rub your tummy and pat your head and hop up and down on one leg while whistling "heart of dixie" they will have original Nazi or earlier. 2. ammo availability is low and it's expensive and there are only two companies that I know of that make ammo for them(PRVI and Hornady). neither of these can be found at your usual online sources for ammunition(luckygunner.com, ammotogo.com, etc etc). however Cabelas does list hornady in their 'classic metric' line though I haven't seen it in stock but I'm sure they allow backorders). oppositely, jgsales.com has the PRVI 8x56R hidden away in their misc ammo section and sometimes offer the option to add a box to your order of a M95 which they almost always have in stock. 3. reloading and bullet availability: as stated I have never seen a reloading manual with data for 8x56R but just this summer I read an article in handloader magazine about reloading for old, obselete calibers and how it is becoming easier now that people are buying these cheap rifles and creating a demand for components. on it he lists companies that make bullet molds in the proper diameter, I think even one company that is doing limited runs of jacketed 8x56 bullets and a small number of reloading formulas for 8x56R if you can find that article online you would be set for reloading.
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aimsurplus usually has ammo for them in stock but its like 21.00 a box and ammo to go also has it available for the same price
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Springfield Model 511 shotgun barrel needed
i have seen a lot of discussion about the springfield model 511 shotgun but i can't find where the discussion was...i am looking for a barrel for my springfield model 511 double barrel shotgun. can anyone help me find a barrel for sale. the gun was my granddads and i would like to get it back in shooting condition so one of my sons can have it too. any help would be appreciated.
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try the shotgun forums here at thefiringline, this forum is dedicated to C&Rs and this thread is central to a centerfire rifle and most participating in it probably have little knowledge of shotguns... the shotgun guys probably have the most knowledge.
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thank you! i tried to find that earlier and was unable to. can you point me in the right direction? The Firing Line Forums > ??? (not sure where from here)
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I think the just recently changed the name to the Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum located in the same sub forum as the rifle and black powder forums. here's a link to the proper subforum.
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M95
The "S" does not signify a bore of .323. It means the rifle has been modified to shoot the newer pointed bullets. The bore of the 95's is .330.
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Here is some handloading information. It is not mine, but I have used some of it for working up cast bullet loads.
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I finally won an auction. I am thrilled that I have one of these old war horses coming. Money order will go out tomorrow and by next weekend I should be shooting a Hungarian made and Hungarian modified (from 8x50 to 8x56r) M1985.
I also found reloading dies for a reasonable price. Does anyone know if ammunition was also made in Hungary or only Austria?
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BoogieMan, did they include any clips with the rifle? If not start looking for them now, you'll need them to shoot It. If you can find some of the surplus Nazi ammo in the 10 round angled boxes they come with the clips already holding the ammo.
They are lots of fun to shoot, but can really get one's attention If your not holding It firmly enough against your shoulder.
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Im workling on ammo with clips. Plenty of the Nazi cliped ammo on gunbroker. I have also found bare clips on eBay.
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Enbloc Clips for Steyr Mannlicher M95
BoogieMan, good buy! I have two on hand, a 1918 Austrian M95 and a 1917 M95/34. They shoot like they mean it, but you gotta love them!
Don't pay premium price for the Enbloc Clips, for example two for $15 on eBay. If you are willing to spend $30 for a lot of 10, go to "e-sarco_dot_com". Take a look from the HOME page on the left at PARTS & ACCESSORIES, then ACCESSORIES, then STRIPPER CLIPS. Look for STEYR '95 STRIPPER CLIPS. When you buy them in qty from 3-9 they cost you $3.95 each, but any qty at 10 and above will save you $0.95 on each and every one of them. I purchased 10 from them last month and once I saw what good condition they were in I fessed up and got 15 more. 25 clips = 125 rounds. You will get a mix of them, some have the Nazi eagle marking, others have a circled H, while other markings may come about too. Looks like they came off surplus ammo, may not have been used. Some have rust traces, but are relatively clean, like they've never hit the dirt. Well worth it. I almost didn't want to tell anybody because I don't want e-sarco to sell these out, but the idea that a pair of these are selling for $15 on eBay just makes me mad. Buy them at e-sarco while they are available!!! |
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