New Old Army - Page 2

Zenkoji · May 16, 2011, 09:32 AM

See, doing black powder shooting is messy... maybe you should sell it to someone else

.

It's really not that bad. Cabela's sells lubed wads that (IMHO) eliminate the need for messy greases and odd fillers (like cream of wheat, or whatever). Simply pour in powder, pop on a wad, seat the wad, seat a ball, add a cap, and you're ready to go.

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 11:13 AM

ok so i shot it this morning using the #2 measurement and not much bang then i decided to step it up to #4 and BOOM so much fun and smoke! so here the next noobie question... best ways to clean it? im hearing 409 and boiling water any good videos on cleaning?

wogpotter · May 16, 2011, 11:32 AM

Take off the grips & use a bucket of hot soapy water & bore & toothbrushes, no need for anything fancier than that as BP cleans up more easily than smokeless does. Use the bucket!!! It will trap nipples that can escape down the drain if you just use the sink.

I remove the cylinder from the pistol, & the nipples from the cylinder as it makes cleaning the nooks & crannies easier.

I rinse in hot water to remove soap traces, but that's kind of optional.
Once scrubbed & rinsed, dry with a hair dryer to remove remaining water, oil & you're done.

I always use a small amount of grease (or bore butter) on the nipple threads when reassembling & grease the cylinder axis pin also. (It fouls more slowly that way then with oil).

Ignore the no petrochemical-based lube stuff too, use whatever you like, just swab the bore & chambers with a patch & alcohol before firing to remove oil residue & you're fine.

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 12:08 PM

you guys are awesome with everyones help ive successfully ****** off my neighbors for yet another day.... maybe i should pull out my mac 11 and do some test firing (just to make sure it still works after the winter)

**4V50 Gary** · May 16, 2011, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Zenjoki said:

See, doing black powder shooting is messy... maybe you should sell it to someone else.

Are you raising me by another dime?

If you are, I'll match your dime and throw in two real copper pennies (not wheat stalks though).

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 09:18 PM

so does anyone know if u can legally hunt with this gun? and what kinda season it would fall into?

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 09:19 PM

also my partner from work came over and played with it today and wants one

http://www.cabelas.com/pistols.shtml

any of these under 300 or just under 300 worth it?

Jbar4Ranch · May 16, 2011, 09:22 PM

It would be legal during the general big game season in Montana.

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 09:26 PM

sorry im just really only into bow hunting where i live so ive never even gotten into gun hunting but i would assume u could take down a whitetail with a 45 as long as its in bow range

ClemBert · May 16, 2011, 09:35 PM

Some fellas have all the luck....go buy yourself a lotto ticket while your luck is running hot.

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 09:54 PM

ok i think i posted a link to cabelas and it was deleted or something maybe by a mod lol so my question is my partner from work is considering a black powder revolver and looking to spend 300 or so wondering if theres anything worth it at that price. he saw a few for 169 on that site

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 09:55 PM

http://www.cabelas.com/pistols.shtml

marksman8351 · May 16, 2011, 10:02 PM

ok now its back... creepy

wogpotter · May 17, 2011, 08:13 AM

Quote:

so does anyone know if u can legally hunt with this gun?

I think that is going to vary state-to-state. I know some states have power limitations, sometimes in FPS, sometimes in Ft/Lbs & some in caliber & powder charge. Some states have special BP only seasons as well.

Check the local fish & game folks publications for info. I mean published info too, not word of mouth from "Ranger Smith" as he has a pretty good chance of making something up.

Foto Joe · May 17, 2011, 10:00 AM

My personal recommendation for a pistol would be the 1860 Army. Beautiful gun and easy to feed and maintain.

I would recommend staying away from brass frame guns until you've got some more time under your belt. Some folks love 'em (me included) and some hate 'em. They do take a little more consideration when loading simply because the brass isn't as durable as steel.

marksman8351 · May 17, 2011, 05:33 PM

someone today was in my local gun shop trading in .36 black powder and there were guna give him 25 bucks for it and when he walked out i followed him and offered him 40 its an unfired ... well im not sure what it is but it says FIE on it and its a 36 cal im guessing that its something like a pietta ... it looks idential to the Pietta 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver thats listed on cabellas but its definately a .36 but theres no names on the gun just fie italy on the bottom and some symbol it looks like a G with a B in it

mykeal · May 17, 2011, 06:08 PM

Impossible to tell without a picture, but a 'G with a B in it' might be a poorly struck Armi San Paolo/Euroarms logo (the letter D overlapping two G's, one above the other). FIE was a US importer.

Scooch · May 17, 2011, 06:10 PM

now you're bitten. Hide your wallet from yourself.

marksman8351 · May 17, 2011, 08:04 PM

that logo sounds exactley like it

thx

marksman8351 · May 19, 2011, 06:25 PM

ok so my other new to bp question is what is the old army styled after what is the frame consider ie

1851 navy) and so on

Hawg · May 19, 2011, 06:57 PM

Quote:

ok so my other new to bp question is what is the old army styled after what is the frame consider ie1851 navy) and so on

It's a modern invention that bears no resemblance to anything that was used back in the day.

ClemBert · May 19, 2011, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marksman8351

ok so my other new to bp question is what is the old army styled after what is the frame consider ie1851 navy) and so on

The ROA is a historically correct BP firearm.

That is, the ROA is not based on any particular original BP revolver. The ROA is, in itself, an original design AND is an original. It is not an attempted copy of anything unlike most of the BP revolvers that most of us have.

Hawg · May 19, 2011, 07:54 PM

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The ROA is a historically correct BP firearm.

Historically correct all the way back to 1972.

Jbar4Ranch · May 19, 2011, 10:59 PM

Kinda similar to an 1858... if you stand waaaay back...

arcticap · May 20, 2011, 01:48 AM

It also bears some resemblance to the Rogers & Spencer.

May 16, 2011, 09:32 AM	#26
Zenkoji Member Join Date: April 7, 2011 Posts: 56	Neater way See, doing black powder shooting is messy... maybe you should sell it to someone else . It's really not that bad. Cabela's sells lubed wads that (IMHO) eliminate the need for messy greases and odd fillers (like cream of wheat, or whatever). Simply pour in powder, pop on a wad, seat the wad, seat a ball, add a cap, and you're ready to go.

May 16, 2011, 11:32 AM	#28
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Take off the grips & use a bucket of hot soapy water & bore & toothbrushes, no need for anything fancier than that as BP cleans up more easily than smokeless does. Use the bucket!!! It will trap nipples that can escape down the drain if you just use the sink. I remove the cylinder from the pistol, & the nipples from the cylinder as it makes cleaning the nooks & crannies easier. I rinse in hot water to remove soap traces, but that's kind of optional. Once scrubbed & rinsed, dry with a hair dryer to remove remaining water, oil & you're done. I always use a small amount of grease (or bore butter) on the nipple threads when reassembling & grease the cylinder axis pin also. (It fouls more slowly that way then with oil). Ignore the no petrochemical-based lube stuff too, use whatever you like, just swab the bore & chambers with a patch & alcohol before firing to remove oil residue & you're fine. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

May 16, 2011, 09:22 PM	#33
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,719	It would be legal during the general big game season in Montana. __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015

May 17, 2011, 10:00 AM	#40
Foto Joe Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cody, Wyoming Posts: 111	My personal recommendation for a pistol would be the 1860 Army. Beautiful gun and easy to feed and maintain. I would recommend staying away from brass frame guns until you've got some more time under your belt. Some folks love 'em (me included) and some hate 'em. They do take a little more consideration when loading simply because the brass isn't as durable as steel. __________________ Foto Joe

May 19, 2011, 10:59 PM	#49
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,719	Kinda similar to an 1858... if you stand waaaay back... __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015

May 16, 2011, 11:13 AM	#27
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	ok so i shot it this morning using the #2 measurement and not much bang then i decided to step it up to #4 and BOOM so much fun and smoke! so here the next noobie question... best ways to clean it? im hearing 409 and boiling water any good videos on cleaning?

May 16, 2011, 12:08 PM	#29
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	you guys are awesome with everyones help ive successfully ****** off my neighbors for yet another day.... maybe i should pull out my mac 11 and do some test firing (just to make sure it still works after the winter)

May 16, 2011, 09:18 PM	#31
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	so does anyone know if u can legally hunt with this gun? and what kinda season it would fall into?

May 16, 2011, 09:19 PM	#32
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	also my partner from work came over and played with it today and wants one http://www.cabelas.com/pistols.shtml any of these under 300 or just under 300 worth it?

May 16, 2011, 09:26 PM	#34
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	sorry im just really only into bow hunting where i live so ive never even gotten into gun hunting but i would assume u could take down a whitetail with a 45 as long as its in bow range

May 16, 2011, 09:35 PM	#35
ClemBert Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	Some fellas have all the luck....go buy yourself a lotto ticket while your luck is running hot.

May 16, 2011, 09:54 PM	#36
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	ok i think i posted a link to cabelas and it was deleted or something maybe by a mod lol so my question is my partner from work is considering a black powder revolver and looking to spend 300 or so wondering if theres anything worth it at that price. he saw a few for 169 on that site

May 16, 2011, 09:55 PM	#37
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	http://www.cabelas.com/pistols.shtml

May 16, 2011, 10:02 PM	#38
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	ok now its back... creepy

May 17, 2011, 05:33 PM	#41
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	someone today was in my local gun shop trading in .36 black powder and there were guna give him 25 bucks for it and when he walked out i followed him and offered him 40 its an unfired ... well im not sure what it is but it says FIE on it and its a 36 cal im guessing that its something like a pietta ... it looks idential to the Pietta 1851 Confederate Navy .44 Caliber Revolver thats listed on cabellas but its definately a .36 but theres no names on the gun just fie italy on the bottom and some symbol it looks like a G with a B in it

May 17, 2011, 06:08 PM	#42
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Impossible to tell without a picture, but a 'G with a B in it' might be a poorly struck Armi San Paolo/Euroarms logo (the letter D overlapping two G's, one above the other). FIE was a US importer.

May 17, 2011, 06:10 PM	#43
Scooch Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Location: Texas Y'all Posts: 29	now you're bitten. Hide your wallet from yourself.

May 17, 2011, 08:04 PM	#44
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	that logo sounds exactley like it thx

May 19, 2011, 06:25 PM	#45
marksman8351 Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 74	ok so my other new to bp question is what is the old army styled after what is the frame consider ie1851 navy) and so on

May 20, 2011, 01:48 AM	#50
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	It also bears some resemblance to the Rogers & Spencer.

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