90gr. JSP 9mm as a carry load

[jimbob86]

Why is everyone so afraid of ballistic gelatin?

Oh, I'm not scared of it ...... not scared of prairie dogs either.... and I can shoot either of them without legal repercussions. Prairie dogs are cheaper.

[C0untZer0]

Ballistic Gel is hard to work with.

You need a big fridge to keep it in

It has a limited shelf-life - even in the fridge

Depending on the temperature outside, there is a window of time that it can be used from the moment it is taken out of the fridge

If you ingest any of it you get sick


having said that - it drives me nuts when people shoot water jugs, soggy phone books, cartons of shredded wet news paper and other nonsensical mediums.

I guess the only other thing that makes sense to me is the Sim Test Media, if it is mixed with water correctly. I think you have to dillute the base product with 50% water - but what really matters is that when you do the BB test - Calibration of ballistic gelatin is verified by firing a .177 steel BB at 590 feet per second (fps), plus or minus 15 fps, into the gelatin resulting in 8.5 centimeters (cm), plus or minus 1 cm, penetration (2.95" – 3.74").

http://www.gelatininnovations.com/pages/ballistic.html

And at least one guy on YouTube has gotten Sim Test Media to pass the BB test, tnoutdoors9:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTB_lO5c5s

[FairWarning]

No less than 115 gr for me...

[kinoons]

For 9mm 148gr is the only logical choice. Actually, the heaviest weight round your handgun will reliably cycle, in any caliber, is the best choice. Momentum is actually more important than simple energy numbers.

[orionengnr]

Isn't it funny, but a 90 grainer in a .380 or Makarov round is o.k., but if it is going 400fps faster in a 9mm, it's too light?

Well, who said that?
I don't trust any light-for-caliber round, no matter which caliber we are talking about.
I sure don't trust any .380 or 9mm Mak as a carry round, and I consider a 9mm+p+ Para as marginal.
JMHO, of course, and YMMV.

[briandg]

not with a ten foot pole. Light bullets shed energy rapidly. they are lacking in momentum, and the high kinetic energy readings are truly deceptive. a Hollow point at 90 grains and 1300 fps would be turned inside out and stopped before it reached daNgerous penetration levels in a lot of circumstances. a soft point will basically leave a slightly larger channel than a solid. Neither one will penetrate to the desired depth.

Equal to the super vel? Gee, what is that, 40 years old? there have been a few changes and new things have been discovered since then.

In any handgun cartridge, when you have the option of trading higher bullet weight for velocity, most of the time the idea would be to go with higher bullet weight and diameter, and then, higher sectional density, and leave high velocity/light bullet rounds out.

I'm obviously not an expert, but my choice would be a 115 grain premium bullet at 1k fps, instead of one that is barely 3/4 of the weight, and 300 fps faster, because at this level, additional velocity is little help. The thing would have to be at close to 2k fps to become a really dangerous round. As it is, it isn't even close to being as powerful as the old gi 30 carbine, and remember, that thing was reviled as being useless.

[C0untZer0]

Zippin along at 2036 fps...

http://www.rbcd.net/Products/Personal_Defense/

[jimbob86]

Zippin along at 2036 fps...

And would disintegrate when encountering a nerd's pocket protector.....

Talk about the "Hickey From Hell".......

[Walklightly]

I wonder how it would perform in a 9mm carbine?

[jimbob86]

Probably disintegrate when encountering still air ..... or rifling.

Either that thing has to be hollow, really short, or made of something other than lead ...... 90 grains and .451 diameter?

I'm guessing it would turn into rat shot if you push it too fast.

[briandg]

oh, brother.

A "dangerous game load" .223.

[sthomper]

are many 38 spl loads about 300 ftlbs in KE?? would a 95g at 1150 fps be only slightly less than 300 ftlbs KE and still leathal....speed it up 250 fps and it exceeds many 38 spl?? is that a problem??

ifs its accurate wouldnt that be sought after??

[skizzums]

a 90gr high velocity 9mm would do the trick just fine. I use hornaday 90gr xtp's and they are pretty nasty. but I don't use them as my go-to carry load, I use the 125gr ftx.

the 90gr is the one on the bottom

[Cheapshooter]

I'd use a 458 Lot for elephants, but I wouldn't carry a 380 for self defense!
Makes about as much sense as the other comments about 380 on this thread.

Modern JHP 380 ACP loads are the best you can get for that round, and sometimes a little mouse gun is all you can carry.
An old school light JSP is not the best round offered for 9MM, so why rely on it?
Sounds to me like you have a lot of good range ammo. But find a modern JHP loading that your self defense 9MM likes, and you can shoot well for your carry ammo.

[Guv]

Hand loads for self defence

[JD0x0]

Don't count on 'light and fast' pistol bullets being extremely effective. They're not rifle rounds.
I wouldn't use a 90 grain .355 cal bullet unless it was non-expanding, and I wanted that kind of performance. Heavier bullets are better, especially when you want them to expand.

Expansion limits penetration. Increased projectile mass helps penetration. It's about a balance. I want expansion and exit wounds. It's not very likely a light for caliber expanding bullet would give you that reliably.
I don't buy the whole 'energy dump' argument ESPECIALLY when we're talking about a 'mere' ~300ft-lbs muzzle energy.

[TJH3781]

IIRC, the ISP used a Winchester Power Point @ 100 Grains weight in their Model 39's when they went to a SA. The Power Point was a heavier constructed bullet deigned specifically for the Model 39.

[10mm4ever]

124's in summer, 147's in winter.

[skizzums]

Penetration in flesh will be hindered by weight, but the small fast round are better at defeating armor. I keep a couple at the bottom of mag just in case